Instead he just risks both his people and The Horde by preventing The Horde from dealing a big blow to the Kul Tirans + knowingly and willingly making his people a target or the sake of 1 Kul Tiran prince.
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I’m not entirely sure Baine could 1v1 his way out of a paper bag, never mind duel Sylvanas.
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Baine literally says his people are better off all dead then living a dishonourable life.
How would winning in traditional combat be more backstabbing then literally conspiring behind her back and working with Alliance?
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Sylvanas’ plan wouldn’t have worked, without baine to explain, jania would probably killed her undead brother before he could get close. and then we would all be Screwed because someone didn’t remind Sylvanas that everyone knows what Forsaken are like.
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We don’t know that. We don’t know how exactly Sylvanas would have executed that specific plan. We just know that the plan was to make him a wild sleeper assassin.
Had Derek succeeded, it would have indeed been a major blow, but we don’t know that it would have automatically failed.
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We do though. it’s common sense.
He’s not just a Kul Tiran.
He’s a forsaken now. What’s the #1 rule their people swore to? Maintain free will. What was Sylvanas going to do? Remove free will.
The tauren vouched for the forsaken way back. Then they turn around and start raising tauren undead and scrubbing free will where it suits them. My tauren would perceive that as spitting on their trust or pity.
Baine acting the way he did for Derek makes complete sense.
That and it was a crap plan to start with. Jaina was ready to blow up her own body on the spot if it were not for Baine’s intervention and rescue.
By all means it makes him a traitor. But it’s the right thing to do morally when evil is dancing Infront of you.
If it’s the quote I’m thinking, isn’t he just talking about himself? Do correct me if I’m wrong.
Suddenly usurping a leader during the height of a war seems pretty backstabby to me. Especially as the sudden shift in leadership could destabilise the military. And provoke an unpredictable response from the public. Again, Saurfang chose not to do it after seriously considering it. Why do you think he chose not to?
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For all we know this is her plan, what better way to get Jaina to trust Derek than have him seemingly freed by an honourable man.
Ahyes, I forgot Jaina has “is he the bomb now?!?!?” vision. We dont really know what her plan was, he might of been disguised as living, either way I dont think Jaina would mana bolt him to the face instantly, if your dead relative suddenly came back you’d probably be in shock and confused.
So you’re telling me, that you believe that one of the Smartest psychopaths the Kirin Tor ever created would not expect her dead brother coming back as a trap?
That same psychopath immediately lowered her guard once she was assured that the situation was safe. For all we know the Assassin Derek should have just said
“Sylvanas wanted me to attack you, but she failed to mindcontrol me” - saying this whilst mindcontrolled, and Jaina would have been - “k!”
She did suspect it, for all of 5 seconds until Baine actually gave him to her.
Once she was told by BAINE, you know, mr “I can’t Lie, Lying is bad.” there is a big difference in Someone like Baine saying “Yeah we saved your bro from Sylvanas” and your dead brother popping back out of nowhere like “Hey, I’m back from the store, also, Sylvanas tried to turn me into the winter soldier.”
She didn’t seem to trust Baine either, until he gave her some weird sob story
That’s how you know Baine is telling (what he believes is) the truth. if he didn’t seem remorseful in anyway, I best you she would bomb that boat all the way into the next expansion.
I refer you back to.
I have an idea…
grabs the chieftain’s featherthingy
We baine him from the city a pick someone else.
throws it onto apawi’s head
You, make bigger lifts with chairs happen.
When he was arrested, he told her that robbing people of their freedom to serve isn’t the Horde way, which he is right in. That was cool + brave, and it was really boring to see the others stand like cowards and watch it happen
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I’ve issued a formal letter to Thunder Bluff demanding Baine’s surrender to Horde justice. Should he not be turned over into the Warchief’s care within a week we will begin siegeing the tauren capital.
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That’s an even worse plan, that’s like Cersei’s plan to get Robert killed, it relies on multiple things just happening by chance:
Baine has to witness the resurrection
Baine has to get to the boat
Baine has to Survive
Jainia has to agree to come
Jainia has to trust Baine
That’s a terrible plan, here is a cheaper more effective one: Manabomb Kul’tiras.
Who the Hell is writing these plans, they need to be fired.
Considering the investment (ressing one dude), it’s a very low-effort high-potential reward plan.