Look you are mixing the roleplay aspect with the in-game lore, I am saying, the Nightelves are lowborn commoner class of the Kaldorei lore-wise, I could not care less, about how will you role-play with your character, my statements were to show that the Highborne culture has nothing to do with the Modern Kaldorei in-game lore-wise.
Heck, I have seen people imagining they are naga, and dragons, while playing a Nightelf, that has nothing to do with in-game actual lore. Does that mean, we need to allow RPers to morph into naga and have horns and tails for the sake of imagination?
OP suggests, having race-based quests, in which they suggest having the Highborne one for the Nightelves, which has nothing to do with the modern Kaldorei race lore-wise. If they were to focus on the race-based lore-wise quest, then it is the culture of the Druidism or Priestesshood, not the Highborne one.
Please do not mix your RP imagination with the in-game lore of the race.
Regarding Night Elf mages?
meh, donât really care. At this stage Iâd be fine with a complete loosening of race / class restrictions.
Although putting in some quest chains to unlock them could provide some interesting in game stories. I quite liked the Heritage Armour quests.
I am all for this, however, I do not think it will work for all races.
Here is what would make sense lore wise, imho.
Human-Druid/Shaman.
Dwarf- Druid.
Nightelf-Paladin.
Draenei-Rogue/warlock. (Warlock due to the fact that Nightborne can be Warlock regardless of having options of being Felborne, same should apply for the Draenei with Eredar.)
Void elf- DH/Paladin.
Kulâtiran- Paladin.
Orc-Priest/Paladin.
Tauren-Mage.
Highmountain tauren- Warlock (same example as mentioned before, giving access to certain class without extras, in this case Blood totem, and Feltotem tribes)
Blood elves- Druids/Botanists.
Nightborne- Druid/DH.
Zandalari-Warlock.
There are races I have not mentioned, as I think it is an extra, and no lore explanation behind it, however, the races I have mentioned, have all the races to be one. I cannot imagine gnome/goblin/pandaren Demon hunters
I am sorry⌠but no. Lore-wise, MOST of the Night Elves are âlowborn commoner classâ. But not ALL of them, because the Shenâdralar, who have rejoined the Night Elves ranks since Cata, are Highborne -if disgraced- survivors.
Mordent Evenshade being titled âthe Highborneâ with racial tag âNight Elfâ is one of many examples, with several quests in Cata dealing with the return of these Highborne and their integration within the Night Elf society, to the point that some have taken new jobs.
Are there any quests stating that the Nagas rejoined the Night Elven society, just as we have several with the Shenâdralar?
If there are not, then your point does not logically stand, because while the Shenâdralar are a part of the Night Elven society according to Cata lore, naga and dragons are not, or at least not yet.
OP actually suggested adding a NUMBER of extra customizations of different types (ranging to full heritage sets to character customization to weapon mogs) for all races, of which ONE of the many possibilities for the Night Elves could be to explore the existing minority of the Shenâdralar Highborne, one for the Trolls could be exploring the existing minority of the Revantusk (clearly, not all of them will become green from that point forward), and other for the Blood Elves could be the one of the Farstrider subfaction (without all Blood elves turning to Farstriders, logically).
Again, I blame online communication being perfect to misunderstand whatever can be misunderstood.
In my own mind, to make things even clearer, there was also listed an option for Night Elven Dark Rangers. Not mutually exclusive with a Highborne quest, you see. Nor mutually exclusive with a Druidic quest (which you suggested and is a great idea) to add antlers or green eyes like Malfurion has. Just⌠part of a whole.
Because, well, societies are usually multi-faceted even though they have a âdominant themeâ.
You see, thatâs the core of our misunderstanding. You are reasoning under the assumption that there would be ONE quest per race, with ONE customization unlock, which would have to define ALL characters and the entire society. Whereas none says there couldnât be more smaller perks unlocked playing through a longer storyline that explores the wide variety of characters existing within each unique society.
A longer Night Elf questline could easily explore the druidic identity for antlers and green eyes, the priesthood for new shiny Elune markings, the ancient Highborne heritage for a couple of extra necklace and tiaras, and the tale of the Night Elves raised by Sylvanas as Dark Ranger as the latest addition following the events of BFA and SL.
All aspects that, by lore, are already (or in case of the Dark Rangers could become, if we are to believe some of the hints being dropped on the current PTR) part of the Night Elf society.
Likewise, a Nightborne questline could delve into different aspects such as druidism (unlocking the extra class, besides we have seen Nightborne botanists!!!), Felborne warlocks (green hands and markings) or even nightfallen(?) options. Without having to choose between one or another.
I donât think I am, as explained above. On the other hand, personally Iâd like to ask you to please stop denying other players their right to ask and hope that Blizzard allows them to explore the identity of a minority that has been written within their race of choice since Cataclysm just because its theme overlaps (for obvious reasons since we are cousins) with your own racial identity of choice.
Honestly I still donât get why you feel (or felt) like adding some extra jewelry to the Night Elves with a quest about some elder Shenâdralar survivor could possibly twist the entire Night Elven culture to a copy of the Nightborne or rob the Nightborne race of its identity, but maybe itâs just me.
Thatâd make zero sense. If anything, the Highmountain would scorn fel and warlocks even more after theyâd been invaded by the Legion and had the Feltotem defile their ancient and sacred burial grounds. The Feltotem are kill on sight traitors. So giving Highmountain warlocks would make no sense whatsoever.
The Nightborne warlocks also make no sense, but at least the elves are far more pragmatic than the tauren, so this could at least be somewhat explained through that. The fact is that Highmountain would never accept warlocks and Fel users among them, not even the Bloodtotem, because they literally lost their chieftain and the majority of their tribesmen to fel.
The same happened to the Nightborne? Werenât we liberating Suramar, from the demonic invadors? What is the purpose of having access to warlock without having an option be a Felborne? The same could be applied for the HM tauren.
Highmountain tauren and Nightborne are two different people with different culture, beliefs and mentality. Also, the Highmountain were impacted far more by the Feltotem than the Nightborne were impacted by the Felborne.
The tauren are shamanistic, spiritual and attuned to the elements. Fel literary goes against all of that.
Oh really, have you not done your quests in Suramar?
Felborne were literally taking citizens of Suramar to Azsuna to sacrifice them, how can you even compare impact level of both races? When both have suffered almost the same if Nightborne, not more. Yet one out of sudden gets access to be a warlock yet another one does not.
Please read the first and the last part of my post. The tauren are not the same people and the race as the Nightborne. Fel goes against everything they believe in and against their entire culture. Thereâs no way theyâd ever accept warlocks among them. The betrayal they suffered by the hands of the Feltotem cements this.
The same applies for the Nightborne, the reason why the civil war happened in Suramar was due to the Queen Elisande making a deal with the legion, the whole story of Suramar is to free elves from their demonic masters, how is fell magic is the part of the culture of the Shalâdorei?
We are not the Sinâdorei, we are Shalâdorei, we were against the fell and legion since the war of the ancients.
Look, you can complain to Blizzard regarding this nonsensical race-class combination. I just donât think that just because the Nightborne got warlocks for no good reason that the same should happen to Highmountain, who in my opinion have even less reason to ever get warlocks.
That is your personal opinion, but while having had the same circumstances, logically, Tauren of Highmountain, can be warlocks, and you cannot just deny it with shamanism and etc.
Look at the Grimtotem for instance, they have had warlocks way before the Feltotem and Bloodtotem.
No, this isnât just my personal opinion. Itâs how the race is, itâs how the lore around this race is. And yes, I can explain it with shamanism, because fel goes directly against that. And whatâs your point with the Grimtotem having warlocks, when those Grimtotem are villains and the normal tauren canât have warlocks either. And the Feltotem are also villains.
Iâm done discussing this topic. Your arguments for Highmountain warlocks are weak and only supported by the fact that Nightborne got them, which is absolutely laughable. Highmountain will never get warlocks.
In what way is Mordent Evenshade being titled âthe Highborneâ with racial tag âNight Elfâ actual nonsense?
I honestly still donât get how you can acknowledge that the Shenâdralar are Highborne survivors and that they have rejoined the Night Elven society in Cata, and yet at the same time state that all Night Elves are lowborne.
Itâs a simple exercise of set theory. Given the statements:
The Shenâdralar are Night Elven Highborne
The Shenâdralar have rejoined the Night Elven society
Then logically, it is also true that some members of the Night Elven society are Highborne.
Once again, I am not saying that the Night Elf racial questline should define them all as Highborne. They arenât, and I donât want them to be. But a quest delving in the Night Elven lore could very reasonably tell the tale of how magic was banned and then allowed again with the return of some outcasts after 10,000 years, and grant a necklace and a tiara as two of many more rewards (including many more druid and priest appropriate items), without twisting the entire Night Elven culture or robbing the Nightborne race of its identity.
