RACIAL TRAITS should be DELETED and REPLACED with better solution 😎

Not really because the current character creation system is forcing people to choose arbitrary templates and on top of that people are pushed toward specific races and their traits if they want to be optimal in e.g. PvP or higher level PvE content.

How is it a BS if any self-respecting caster DPS will go Horde/Trolls simply because of Berzerking? 15% Haste of 10sec is pretty much like having a 3rd Trinket and it’s unparallel to most traits in the game. People literally changed factions over this trait.

By saving “so does yours” you are implying that you agree that your argument failed so you can’t just do 180 and pretend that your argument is good or on that matter even better. You are simply being stupendously irrational.

Besides your claim falls not mine. I said it more than once than traits need to be reworked and rebalanced to not offer one the best option for all people but instead give a variety of good traits for each class/spec combination.

RAcials are trivial at best
so nah no need

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And yet it isnt even best race for all casters and for those that are difference is less than 1%, woah.

U can be more than optimal even with worst race/class combo possible

Yet u never said any example, maybe there isnt solution?

The point isn’t which race is the best for caster DPS.
The point is that there are traits that are way superior for a specific role and if people want to be optimal they are forced to play a specific race which then causes race/faction imbalance.

Besides, you just keep repeating the same strawman argument by attacking the claim which no one made. You literally repeated the same broken argument twice already and you keep running in circles without adding anything substantial to the argument.

Ok, how? :slight_smile:

Because you don’t need to give an example on how to remove traits which are way too superior against other traits to make traits more balanced. So yeah there is a solution which at least partially addresses the problem.

Once again, u can be more than optimal eith whatever race u play, there is class imbalance cuz sheeps followed crowd and now there is huge horde domination. More people means more choices at endgame, has very little to do with racials nowdays.

Because that 1% doesnt matter if u sux eith your fotm class.

Because i dont wanna change stuff?

Before prepatch Arcane mage Troll had 1.2% higher dps than the second best race(Gnome), 2.6% higher than the worst race(Vulpera).
Troll is/was the best race for Fire & Arcane mages and all warlocks.
Though this is average dps, I’m not sure how much higher their burst window is compared to others due to the increased casting speed.
For frost mages the difference between Human and Vulpera is 2.8%.
Vulpera sucks for spellcasters.
It feels bad picking a race that are just bad for your class compared to any other race, even for casuals.

If u care more about numbers than what makes you happy in game, u are by no means casuals bro

Looking at your achivements, you definetly dont need to feel forced into any sort of race choice for a sub 2% increase in anything. You arent on the cutting edge of any aspect of the game.

And i say that knowing full well i dont have anything extraordinary to boast either. Im not trying to take a dump on you, but the point still stands.

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I’m no longer a casual, but I was. Even back in tbc it didnt feel good to pick a race which had racials that didnt work at all for my class. Wasted potential, if the dps difference between races dont matter i’d say we just remove the damage increase on racials and do fun out of combat abilities instead.

I totally agree with that, only for racials that affect gameplay.
I wouldn’t mind undead keeping the cannibalize or adding other funny abilities fitting race lore but the crit, haste, speed etc buffs shouldn’t be linked to races.
It’s better when we can play whatever we want without being annoyed by “but X is better for pvp and Y for raids”

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No, you can’t unless you weren’t optimal in the first place. What you are saying is on the same level of stupid as people who say that they are giving 200% of themselves while doing something :kissing_heart:

Besides, it doesn’t matter if they are actually utilizing that extra power properly. What matters is that some traits are creating a situation where people choose one option way more often than any other option and it creates unnecessary race/faction imbalance.

Selectively choosing a specific situation doesn’t prove anything other than your dishonesty in this argument.
Sure, while some people are unable to utilize the power they have chosen some people are able to utilize this power, and if it is used in a compounding way such as PVP or Raiding with trait stacking that 1% becomes something much greater than just minor DPS buff. But that truth doesn’t work in your favor isn’t it :slight_smile:

I don’t care what you want :slight_smile:

Etf is even that logic?

Just like u selectivrly choosing a specific troll racial for casters?

All righty then, guess there is no more to talk about, hand.

I’ve said this since vanilla. I do love the idea of racials but they cause players who want the best performance out of their character to be Pidgeon holed into a certain race.

For players who say it only makes a minor difference, you’re correct but so does gear upgrades from raid tier to the next but players still want to maximise their characters performance.

I still feel they could make each race feel unique through cosmetic choice rather than abilities that affect player performance. For example you could customise gear and add on race specific items to gear such as skulls, horns, feathers, medals, gadgets, war paints, tribal tattoo’s or art…you get the picture.

People that think like this are why MMORPGS are dead and why WoW ended up the way it is now. Blizzard catered to you people screaming and crying about how everything isn’t fair.

You play MMORPGs and think it should be some type of “balanced E-sport”.

You don’t care about adventure.
You don’t care about lore.
You don’t care about community.

You people have turned a MMORPG into a game where you just sit in town waiting to be sent your destination or handed loot.

Wrath Babies.

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My personal achievements have nothing to do with game design.

By your logic developer who is designing e.g. raid can’t make any decision in term of raid his designing because he didn’t beat it :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Well, It doesn’t surprise me you don’t get basic logic.

Not even close.
It’s only natural to give an example of a trait that causes imbalance when the discussed topic is the imbalance caused by traits :face_with_monocle:

Clearly we won’t get anything good from you. Bye.

MMORPGs are dead because people aren’t inventing new stuff and keep copy/pasting same template over and over. It’s easier to make money by copying something than by actually being creative.

When it comes to this thread I honestly don’t know how did you come to this conclusion lol

See this is proof of how ignorant you are about me or what I say/think.

I’ve been quite vocal about the much-needed rework of all the shallow systems and mechanics in the game to add more depth and flavor to the game.

Not the same thing. The game developer created the raid before being able to even try it. Its a theory, first. And would by default be able to beat it, having all the knowledge of the fight. It comes down to the developers mechanical ability and character gear.

So my point remains, and logic is sound.

I understand your thought process however. But you objectively dont need to choose race based on racial, because the >2% bonus you gain doesnt just doesnt come into effect at the level you play.
It wouldnt be an unfair assumption to assume that even on a training dummy you could infact not maintain a 99% perfect rotation for an extended period of time. So you dont have the base skill at hand to even contemplate a race choice based on racials simply because you waste Brain Freeze stacks which is a monumental bigger loss in DPS as opposed to being a different than optimal race.

In the same way, the difference between you getting gladiator or not, isnt in the race. If you cant get glad as a Draenie then being a human with a stun break, wont get you that rank either.

Sitting in a F1 car doesnt make you a Michael Schaumacher.

No, your logic isn’t sound because it’s not only a double standard but also we can find a paradox in it.
Basically, a developer who designs e.g. raid can start from theory but I can’t because you made an arbitrary excuse that I need to have great in-game achievements to do it :roll_eyes:

BS like this is exactly why so many people play classic people dont play rpg style games to be exactly like everyone else.

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You have my support.

I think it’s time to put racials to rest. That way nobody can use the racials as excuse for faction imbalance and choosing a race will be for purely cosmetic reasons.

So how are you NOT like everyone else in Classic when everyone chooses from the same few premade templates of race and trait combination? :thinking: