Raids are overdesigned for nothing

How is it not?
As long as the difficulty is appropriate then r10 bosses is always fine always has been

Because there’s no content being TAKEN AWAY. Which is what removing means.

Are you saying that raids like Trial of Valor or Crucible of Storms are ‘removed’ content because they don’t have 10+ bosses?

If new raids are made with less bosses overal, that’s not removing anything.
You can definitely not like it, that’s fine. But don’t call it something it’s not.

Your getting less raid content overall less time spent with guild or friends working on the raid. This is what makes raiding fun. You want easy mode? You have raid finder or normal (to a point)

For you.
It doesn’t make it fun for me.

But doing 11 bosses in 4 different wings, which take over 2 months to be released is NOT fun. It’s just not. And for me doing 11 bosses isn’t fun, period. It’s just too much.

We don’t need to agree on this. We just have different tastes. That’s fine.

They can simply do multiple raids with a small amount of bosses rather than one big raid. You could have 3 raids with 3 bosses each for example (Dragon Lairs).
They can also just do one smaller raid, and make better mythic+ dungeons. There’s many things they can add to this game, if they stop doing a hard 11 boss raid with low participation, that requires balance tuning every week for months

And preferably not have any story in 2 of those raids. Keep them optional. Just have 1 raid with story. That’d be nice.

No? Why? You don’t need 1 story for whole azeroth like in shadowlands. It’s not a marvel movie. You can have small stories for all 3 raids, that are separate from eachother, and don’t all need to be in one chronological string like when you enter some random cave from a side quest in witcher 3

Because I don’t want to have to do all those bosses/raids.
That’s been my whole point.

So overal just have no storylines in raids or have a good alternative (i.e. a storymode raid). Forcing people to raid in order to experience the storylines is not okay imo.

simply that is no reason to reduce number of bosses in the raid … simply no one forcing you to do raid … and top of that if u cant do 1 boss per 15 days than simply makes that u are just lazy troll … and that u are only doing provocations

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Those 2 were mini raids in between seasons/tiers.
When we would get normal tiers with 5 bosses in total everyone knows we got ~5 bosses less than normal.

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In your opinion. But you don’t get to decide that.

Forcing is a stupid term.
No, no one is ‘forcing’ me. But there’s story in there. Story is for EVERYONE as far as I’m concerned. That’s enough reason.

Namecalling? We’re at that stage? You can’t win the argument, so you resort to namecalling… Reported.

‘than normal’ is subjective. But yeah, it’d be less. So? Sometimes things change.

We used to get way more WQs per zone in Legion and BfA than we do in Shadowlands. I don’t like that, but it doesn’t mean that content is ‘removed’.

Good. Then everyone agrees again. Thanks.

Well, on that little part, sure.
I still think it SHOULD be less.

I am for more content, not less. So indeed we disagree on that.

I am for more OPTIONAL content.

When it is about LFR, what you are doing for the story. You only have to queue for the last wing. So you do not have to see ‘all’ the other optional bosses.

As I’ve already explained (numerous times):

  • It’s also just about seeing the content (at least once).
  • Sometimes there’s transmog I want (has been a while).
  • Having many bosses means more wings in LFR, which means a longer wait time to finish that raid and experience the story: Making it very hard to do so without having it spoiled for you.

Well, it is optional.

I am by the way in the camp of just release LFR instant. I do not understand this 2 weeks waiting in between of releasing a new wing.

Then we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. I don’t regard storyline as optional, but as must-see (and a basic right for everyone who plays the game - so I am firmly in favour of de-coupling storylines from raids as long as there is not a storymode alternative).

Good to hear. :relaxed:
I’d even take an extra week of waiting after Mythic releases, but then at least release ALL of it in 1 go.

just will tell can you stop trolling … that is what you are doing whole time … instead of trolling and doing everything alone come and play with people … this is not single player