According to all topics i’ve seen here or other wow related forums…majrity are pro RDF, so I guess Blizz should find good reason to remove it, because their LFG tool doesnt reflect good with the community that I see on twitch, mmochampion and here on the forums 
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Then why are you mixing these two things together ?
RDF will only improve the trashfest we have now on both classic and tbcc … removing it wont fix a single issue …
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Wotlk was never the best expansion.
The game just became more populair around Wotlk.
Alot of Wrath babies started gaming in Wotlk with 12/13 years old age. It was more in the news, other countries started advertising etc.
I mean I played on Al’Akir beta vanilla and basically my entire guild quit early Wotlk because of a Nax remake. We cleared Sunwell and the dificulty dropped so massively that we thought we played a different game.
The goal of the classic road is not to just play your ‘‘favorite’’ expansion. The goal is to keep the game classic and I don’t mind if we get Shadowlands in 10 years aslong the game progressing with a classic mindset.
Most of us don’t want all the weird systems / burrowed power systems etc. I think starting with LFD is a good thing. I got nothing against it but they need to start some where. The new dungeon finding tool looks very solid (in my opinion)
The Mythic + thing can be interesting to keep dungeons active. Right now nobody does any heroic in TBC. Tuning the difficluty up is fine. I had a blast in TK/SSC prenerf it’s not bad to actually wipe sometimes and progress.
It’s interesting to see what Blizzard will do phase wise and the speed of releasing new content since most of us did nax40 in classic. If they rush phase 1 we will have a 1 year Wotlk cycle since it just has 4 phases.
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Well if you want changes instead of original game, you can wait for SoM wotlk … I heard its very popular …
I don’t think thats true.
I played SoM it was fine and a pretty big hype.
The difference that it ain’t so populair is becuase there isn’t a future for SOM. There is no way to progress the game after classic vanilla. Blizzard started very motivated with MC and BWL and when they noticed the player base dropped because of bad communication what will happen after SOM they flet the game around AQ40.
Meanwhile there is TBC classic and soon WOTLK that will just progress (probably) for a while, Blizzard said they will add new content to keep the game alive if that’s Cata or Wotlk+ we don’t know. The player base is way to big atm which is nice. If you look at classic logs 700.000 warlock Sunwell logs for example compared to 20.000 warlock raid logs in retail. For me this gives security that they will continue this project.
The tuning was very bad in SoM also. MC and BWL being harder than AQ is pretty sad because they simply gave up on the project.
Alot of us spent 200+ days on WoW Classic, No body is gonna leave all the titles/mounts/achievements behind for a SoM experience that has no future.
Also I don’t have to wait for anything because we ARE getting changes in Wotlk. So if some1 has to wait for a original wotlk experience like 2008 it is you I guess 
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Well thats the issue, I waited 15 years for wotlk and now we are going to get retail hybrid that will flop anyway because blizz is not going to fix the actual issues …
While we are arguing about stuff like RDF, the game will be full of bots and rmt garbage …
So between having original game that sucks or new game that sucks, Ill rather risk it with original game … if I want to see blizzard mess up their own game I can just go to retail …
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The more I read from the pro side the less im even for what I have been for from the beginning that they should bring out RDF in the ICC phase like they did back then, every single argument for including RDF boils down to “I want it because it will make me not have to put in any effort in getting a group” or “I want it because I cant deal with the thought of not getting what I want when ever I want it” and bringing up that bots exist and rmt existing brings literally nothing to the conversation at all. Do you think people who are against RDF want to have more bots and rmt? Why would they ever want that?
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The more I hear from anti-RDF forcing me to play a boilerplate gameplay make me less and less willing to play the game.
I am entirely up for that too … I think that RDF coming sooner would be better, seeing how blizz is butchering classic so far … but I am perfectly ok with it just being in the game, all this spam exists only because blizz said they are not going to add it at all …
Also its mostly the anti-rdf people who are throwing rmt and other stuff into one bag with “casuals” they dont want in their games … if you read what I wrote I said exactly that, removing RDF will not fix a single issue in the game …
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I came to the realization that anti RDF players arent necessarily ignorant to the problems that RDF fixes, but instead some acknowledge that the community is too gold-greedy, minmax oriented and toxic and that the only enjoyable way to form groups right now is to join a guild. In the end they dont believe in a healthy overall community, but primarily in healthy guild communities that everyone should feel forced to join to. Those who dont want to join guilds are called antisocial and should quit the game either way.
So much this … and the SomeChanges.
Lowpop servers are not that much of a problem, forcing everybody to play on megaservers and closing the RP servers are.
That communication was clear fron the start: SoM runs for one year, then players from SoM can go to an Era server of their own choosing.
It was only some SoM players hoping for a shortcut to BCC/Wrath C that muddled the waters.
Carefull with what you say, the pro-RDF ppl will mass report you for trolling if you do not agree with them.
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Maybe, just maybe its because you sound like a troll without even noticing. You state opinions as facts, while disregarding real facts and this confused people, thinking you cannot be serious and a have to be a troll.
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To me you all sounds like trolls. because you want to ruin the game without any other reasons of “because it is fun”. I state opinions based on real events and the ability to think logicly. You guys have no idea what you are talking about as you dont have any experienbce with it. One guy even admitted that he never even played original Wrath outside of pservers.
No, you think i am a troll because you dont agree with me. You remind me of a friend of mine Wife, she thinks everyone not agreeing with her politics just want to provoke.
Ok, Ill try one more time.
Imagine all the players that have been playing on private servers for years. They play there because they really like old expansions as they were. Most of these people were the ones signing for the original Nostalrius petition to make Blizzard create the classic wow series.
The biggest private server playerbase is wotlk by far. It also the expansion that had the most players back in the day. The players on private server could swap to other expansion, but feel the final patch/version of wotlk is the best expansion overall for them.
These players, and those thinking back at wotlk without having played on private servers want to play the game as it was, without a bunch of retail features and main features of the expansion missing. If they are released later on its regrettable, not still alright. But its not ok, if the features are not included at all and instead more retail features are included.
You think all these player want to “ruin the game without any other reasons of “because it is fun””, which is complete delusional. These players want the game to be as they know and knew it and not a totally new hybrid version. They want to play the old expansions with the features they had.
Lets take this example from this thread:
What I quoted is not a fact, its your opinion. Without a doubt RDF was part of the original wotlk. The argument which patch it was in irrelevant, even if you dont think so yourself. It was definitely part of wotlk and that for over a year. You might want to relativize it, but its not changing the fact.
Now, you are talking about wotlk classic. Originally the classic was introduced to have an original experience of the old content and the feeling of older expansions.
Now the main point: Since there is no guideline on what wotlk classic is and that Blizzard has different opinions about the faithfulness of classic regarding each and every aspect and feature of the game, noone can say for sure what definitely belongs to wotlk classic. What “should” be part of it is an opinion in the end. That a RDF should be part of a faithfully recreated wotlk is a fact.
You are addressing “you guys” as everyone for RDF and assume all these players are cluseless and havent played the original wotlk at all. Your prove is that you met ONE PLAYER has stated he only played on private servers. While its debatable if someone who has played wotlk for years on private servers has more or less knowledge about wotlk than a player that hasnt seen it for over 12 years, you generalize big time by assuming that if one guy was cluseless in your eyes, everyone has to be the same, because you cannot understand why these pro RDF players would vote for RDF, if they played back in the day.
Its your inability to understand their viewpoint that you assume they are clueless and then generalize thousands of players based on one guy, that happens to really have no first hand knowledge from back in the day. I know its hard to admit, but this is what happens. Read your sentence again “you guys have no idea […] as you dont have any experienbce with it”. Its hard to imagine you really assume that non of all these players commenting pro RDF have never seen wotlk back in the day, because even statistically speaking its nearly impossible.
Now imagine being someone pro RDF. There is this guy that says you dont know anything because you have no first hand experience, although you have it. This guy just doesnt believe you. Since he cannot understand you like something that he doesnt, he assumes you want to be toxic and destroy the game “for fun”.
I ask you, how is this much different from the very example you brought up?
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How about this: why don’t we have some servers with RDF and some with the upgraded LFG interface? I’d pay a transfer fee to be on an RDF server in a heartbeat. Easy profit for Blizzard.
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The question isn’t really about WLK anymore. It’s about Classic vs. Retail. The Dungeon Finder is considered a tool that belongs to Retail. Why? Because many people believe it to have destroyed a very large part of the social aspect of the game. If you want facts on that it’s not too difficult to find.
Based on what I’ve read from you, your desire is to get WLK exactly as it was. Unfortunately for you it seems that’s not going to happen, and I can understand why that would upset you. Chances are it could be included later, still, because Blizzard will still have to find a solution to the problem of content droughts and dips in activity. The RDF is a great solution for this – but it is at the expense of the social aspect.
The common argument that “the social aspect is already dead” is silly. Because it is not true, not wholly true at least. So should Blizzard throw in the towel and reimplement the Dungeon Finder and ensure that history repeats itself or should they try to remedy the problem? With Classic Wrath they are trying the latter and if it fails I bet we’ll see the Dungeon Finder reintroduced. But I am happy that they are at least willing to try and save “the Classic feel”.
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RDF came so late in Wraths cykle that we did almost all of the expansion without it. Claiming it being a Wrath thing is like calling LFR a Cata thing. Did it come in Cata? yes, was it in from the start? No. It came when all raid tiers where already out.
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See point 1. And i understand their viewpoint and i see where they are coming from, but they want to change how Wrath was in such a way their viewpoints do not even matter. And you guys will quit the game a fter a month or two anyway because you want instant gratification and dont have the social skills to get anywhere. And you dont want Wrath as it was, you want RDF in the start and that is not how Wrath was outside of Pservers.
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Look at all the troll accusations against anti-RDF people in these threads.
You are just one of the ppl that is like my friends Wife.
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You know that you are literally adding retail tool while calling classic feature a retail tool and ask for its removal …
All it needs is to show you the item lvl, which it might even do since quite a lot of people are asking for it, and it could be done with simple addon, and you are literally on retail … and if you think rdf or grouping so far was anti social, you aint seen nothin yet
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