In that case instead of using the forums (we can call that a tool as well) you should be shouting about RDF in game instead, Im just saying if you wanted to actually see the community on the server we both play on you could easily find it and realize that the community is not dead like you claim it to be. Server communitys have never been only in game back in the day people used ether the official forums or set up their own for their servers, now people use Discords, thats how you engage with the community without everyone having to be online at all times in game, lets say a community event happens in the arena in STV (there was one that was planed actually a while ago) how would you ever find out about it if you werent online when someone announced it if it was just in game chat? You woldnt unless one of your friends happened to see it and informed you.
If Blizzard employees were present in the ingame chat, id gladly do.
This is the biggest issue I have … are people seriously missing this so hard ?
Do you actually believe that millions maybe billions of people changed over night just because blizz added RDF into their game ?
Not even the slightest chance it was the other way around ? Not even a single thought that maybe changing single thing in game, wont magically shift whole humanity back in time ?
We literally have classic wow without RDF and its absolute clown fiesta, do people think that when they remove rdf from wotlk, all casuals, bots, afkers, solo players, retail baboons will just leave the game overnight ?
If you are social or in a community, then you will be social and in a community even when RDF is around … rest of the people dont care and dont matter …
If only we could run a simulation and see how RDF and other similar systems would help push the MMORPG genre further… Oh wait…
Blizzard should focus on making what we currently have better by dealing with the issues plaguing it.
So you see that its going to suck either way, so why not keep it the way it was …
Yes lets focus on actually important issues … like that absolute garbage interface, auction house that only supports scammers, bots on every corner, blizz ignoring playerbase
Removing RDF wont change a single thing and there is absolutely no reason to remove it
The old school interface I quite like, but I agree with everything else. Would be great if blizzard did that.
If blizzard does not fix the issues you mention and more then I would agree with you, this game will be doomed.
RDF is essentially a bandaid to a fatal wound. It won’t change the outcome.
Edit: replace bandaid with poison, would be more appropriate I think.
And they read the eu forums? thats news to me, you want to go to the us forums to have a chance of them hearing you, its almost at the same level as “community is dead” and “Blizzard employees are reading EU forums” the community have never been just in game and the employees have never been hanging out on the EU forums.
But neither will removing RDF save it …
The chances are greater some mod will pass a sentiment here from forum to devs than from ingame, i doubt they play their own game.
The mods all lost their jobs a few years ago, its all automated no one is reading anything on the EU forums not even the things people report each other for, I called myself a not such a nice person once and got silenced for 24 hours for calling myself that no human would have ever given out a silence for someone saying they are not the nicest person in the world but a automated system that finds words would. There is no chance that anything said on the EU forums go up the ranks but on the US forums you actually have the devs posting. And there actually are employees we know are playing the game as well. But instead of arguing about the futility of posting on these forums cant we just agree that saying the community is dead is a bad argument when you just have too search a little and you will find that the community is alive and well.
Leave Discord and Forum alone, lets talk about the game alone.
Lets find community ingame, on chats, in dungs etc., sorry but I fail to see it here. To me its no different I still get occasional chats with ppl on retail same as on TBCC, i get chats in dungs, despite it beeing RDF. Ppl have changed.
The main argument is that RDF destroyed community ingame, my argument is ppl destroyed it because it was ppl choice to go on the least resistance line.
Yes I blame ppl, not the system.
The main argument is not about destroying the in game or out of game community seeing as they are the same, I know like 10 healers that I can ask to come and join in on a dungeon if I need a healer that are outside my guild just becouse I have played with them before, I get a hold of them through Discord though seeing as they might not be online on their main I might not have them on real ID (I dont have many people on that) and I cant have a list of all their alts memorized for the off chance that I need a healer. Getting to know those people would have never been something anyone would have realistically done if they could just click a button and find a healer within 15-30 min from just sitting in a town, even less so with RDF being cross server, with RDF I will never see that healer again so no need to even try to strike up a conversation about anything they might as well just be a NPC that comes with me for all I care in that case. Thats where the community aspects comes in you have multiple layers of community in wow, first layer is your closest friends, second is probably the rest of your guild, third is the rest of your faction and forth is the entire server, to facilitate communications between the different communitys people have since day 1 used different tools than just those provided in game so that they dont have to be online at all times just too keep up with whats going on. With RDF you take away the need for the third layer your faction on your server becouse you can replace Bob the nice tank or Garry the healer with any one ells that happens to play that class with the click of a button and the people you will get into a group with will never be seen or heard from again most likley.
Thats entirely up to you … you can be social if you want or not, doesnt matter if the group is RDF or manually formed …
You have TBC without rdf, tell me how many groups are getting married after single deadmines run (I know its exaggeration but you get the point)
Every group is just “inv” - “thanks for run bb” … unless you as a player engage in chatting, then noone is going to chat …
Why do you think its going to change on wotlk … especially since you are changing nothing, because without RDF its going to be same as it is now on tbc …
People who dont want to cooperate, wont cooperate no matter if you have rdf or not …
+noone cares about dungeons, its going to boil down to premade bgs, arenas and raids anyway, you wont be making friends for one stupid dungeon just to finish bunch of pointless leveling quests …
Without RDF you are incentivized to be more social seeing as you can get a slightly easier time getting a group going if you get to know people, with RDF you are not incentivized to go out and get to know people because it will be the path of least resistance.
But its not after a single one, its after you have ran with the same person a few times a bond starts to form, I kind of remember you if I see you a second time, by the 4th time or so I will try to get to know you more properly seeing as by that time I know that I most likely can depend on you doing your job (if not you wont join me a 4th time if im the group leader).
Every group until you start to run into some people over and over again, and thats where the community actually is formed for real.
I dont think it will change, I have never claimed it will change but on a server that have a healthy pop it not changing is a good thing becouse you will remember the tank or the healer who joined in on your run maybe not talk with them but remember them so that if you have 3 people whispering you for the daily HC you might pick the guy that you remember did a ok job instead of just the first guy who whispered (if they whisper within a few sec of each other ofc).
And the people who want to get basicly forced into joining in with a faceless mass of “DPS, HEALER, TANK” seeing as the pool of people gets smaller for their groups, a MMO is a social game incentivizing a non social way of playing is bad for the health of the game, not at lower levels where most people just want to get through it now but at the higher levels its bad.
No one have ever cared about dungeons really but people have made bonds through them for ages, no one cares about bgs ether tbh, a lot of people dont care about raids and a lot dont care about arenas ether so should we just have random arenas and LFR as well? If its about people not really caring about something we should have those in as well right? You wont make friends from one dungeon but when you run into the same people 5 levels later or more realistically when you run into the same people for the daily HC a few days later you might just actually make some friends if you are at all bothered to try.
In 3 years I never added any person to friend list after running a dungeon in Classic. Maybe I am antisocial lol.
Outside of ppl in my guild I mostly recall Panzerhoof for his tanking for gold services and thats it basically.
That could be done by making rdf not cross realm … not by removing it completely …
And even in RDF, if you find someone cool, you can add them on your friendlist, and inv them next time again … since you can still form groups manually, even for RDF …
And people will be doing exactly that, with their friends or if they want quick and clean runs … and we know it will happen, because it happened in wotlk originally too …
I think that tanking for gold services might have been the thing making it hard for you to see the community aspect not you actually being antisocial. People do remember such things and if they pay for a service then they are not going to form a bond with you in the same way, Im also a tank and I dont sell my services and because of that I have a huge group of people that I can call on if I need a healer to fill out a group.
I never had him tanking dung for me 
, just recall his name from /lfg.
I ran a lot of dungs with ppl and outside of my guildmates from Nostalgia (in vanilla) and now KCT from TBCC, I dont recall anyone I did dung with and we had some casual chats like I also have on retail dungs. So ye, no change for me there. But probably I am a unique creature.
But RDF have at all times been cross realm, Im not inherently against RDF though im against it being implemented on day 1.
But if you find that cool person on another realm you wont be able to actually play with them again, seeing as grouping with people through real ID was not a thing until way later.
Ofc there will be people grouping exlusivly with friends but it will be harder to make those friends outside of your guild with RDF and the only way for RDF to actually solve some of the problems it actually solves is to have it be cross realm, lower pop servers would get no benefit at all if it wasnt cross realm for example.
Or I might be a unique creature as well, might be the odd thing with being a tank who dont sell services that makes people reach out to me and try to get to know me because thats rare enough