Rating Doesn't Make Sense in an MMORPG

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This isn’t chess we’re playing here. This is a game with RNG and imbalances.

RNG numbers. Critical hits. Gear…

Then we have addons… Addons which create an uneven playing experience. In any serious competition, they’re very careful to make sure people don’t have hidden advantages over other people. Yet here? Nobody cares.

Beyond that? All the instanced PVP is team based. So another layer making in a poor representation of individual player skill.

So after all of this… What does rating even mean?

It means literally nothing.

Sooo why is it in the game if we can’t discern who the actual best players are from it?

Rating makes sense in a game like chess, or even maybe a fighting game… But an MMORPG that allows addons in PVP, gear, and has RNG? No… It is absurd.

Why not just have “PVP” and let that be it?

There is no point in having a ranking system when the rank doesn’t show who the best players are as individuals.

What they ARE doing is creating an illusion of who is good at the game.

It is like they’ve just went “This number is how good you are at the game! Promise!!”; and people appear to have fallen for it.

Just scrap rating and have PVP… We don’t need fake ranks and fake egos walking around. Oh, and world PVP should be the main PVP of any MMO; that much is obvious. I’d honestly like to see more of a focus on that than this weird instanced arena nonsense.

On a final note about arena generally… Why i just think it is bad for an MMO, it takes a whole aspect out of a fight that is CRUCIAL to real warfare and fighting. The element of surprise.

If any of you have read the art of war, you’ll know this can make or break a fight.

Instanced PVP, but especially arena, near deletes this element. This is why i consider arena to be a fake PVP of sorts, because real wars and fighting don’t involve you just being dropped infront of your opponent in a small box. This is world of WARcraft. It should be all about war, not arena… Again, ridiculous direction to take the game, and even more ridiculous people believe it means anything. That being said, there are SOME elements of that in Epic BG and even BG to a lesser extent… Which is why they’re the superior PVP modes, outside of an open world PVP scenario.

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You’re free to play skirmish or random battlegrounds

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WoW was, is and always will be imbalanced, hence rating doesn’t mean much, compared to actually competitive games like Chess.

Generally it’s a philosophy thing, as you can attach a rating to anything you want to. It’s just the question, whether people will embrace it or not, but while a large majority don’t give a damn about ratings in this game, there is a small but vocal group of players that do, so whether you wanna join the ranks of these players is up to you really.

If you take a sample of 1000 players and sort their skill level based on rating, most of the time, you would be correct. Sure, there might be a few outliers of some ppl with decent ratings, being worse than their rating might suggest, while some ppl with no rating might actually be pretty good at the game, but generally rating and skill correlate with each other. There is a reason, we see the same players at the same ranks for 10 years in a row.

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bruh what a post xd

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Yes, for less reward.

We need one PVP mode, and either scrap rating or have everything rated. I think it would be more honest to scrap rated.

The old classic system is way better.

Someone also mentioned, take a sample of high rated and put them against low rated or whatever. Again, i mentioned addons and gear. So sure, they may win, but when factoring the other things that cause disparity, it becomes impossible to find any real conclusive results on a player’s skill.

You would need :

No gear difference. No RNG. No difference between addons etc…

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Give me a dose of your copium too

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I always knew I was the best player in the world but RNG keep screwing me over and over.

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worst system ever

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Copium? I’m one of the best players in the world on certain games; not even a joke. I just don’t understand why they’d put rating in a game that has too many RNG factors and variables to cause disparity. I’m just mentioning this incase people get the impression that i’m against competition. I’m not, but i know when it should and should not be taken seriously. You can’t take a competitive element seriously in a game with RNG and gear. It is simply ridiculous.

It is cope to think rating does mean anything. It certainly isn’t an individual skill metric if that is what people think.

Blizzard are using it as a trick to make the game seem competitive in a serious way, when it isn’t. It is quite insulting really.

Like, guys… You’ve seen how jank the targeting is on the game. People literally have to use addons and keybind focus just to play. This isn’t a game that was meant to be taken seriously in that way.

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Press X to doubt

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You’re presenting no arguments as you why a competition with variables between competitors and RNG should be taken as legitimate.

This is an extreme example and obviously isn’t a perfect overlay for the WoW experience; but if you have two people flipping a coin over and over, and whoever gets tails first loses, would you say that is a competition people should put any stock in, in regards to player skill?

Obviously WoW isn’t THAT bad; but it is still pretty bad in terms of RNG and disparity of gear/addons etc…

Look at most competitions that are designed to discern who the best players are, they will take out as much difference between players as they can, and eliminate RNG as a whole.

Now there are competitive games with RNG elements, like poker for example. But these are more about getting prize money than saying who the most skilled player is. If you’ve ever watched poker, and understand it, you can be the better player and still get hit with bad hand after bad hand.

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What are you even talking about? Everyone has the same gear in pvp and you can just download the addons you need.
I think you’re playing a different expansion

The only RNG aspect of wow is the poor balancing

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It just sounds like you are insecure of your achievements in wow, and want to feel better about yourself by downgrading everyone elses too.

Please find a job or a better hobby.

Best regards,
Arya

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Its not some lottery, all playing with same advantages/ disadvantages. WoW arenas are very skilled game mode, thats why new players are struggling, cos its not easy to learn.

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why are some people ALWAYS at high rating and some people never then? Why even at the highest leve the AWC its always the same teams that win or compete with the top spots? If its all rng?

your whole text is just a bunch of “im bad at the game and dont want others to play a ranked game mode where i cant succeed”.

sure buddy

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Because rating in any game = dopamine points

Rating is the way you prove to yourself and others that you’re better than them.

So your opinion is closely tied to a very average and casual person mentality.

Every person wants to be good at something, but usually proof is required in some form.

Games with competition require a clear set of rules in order to be enjoyable. This is why world PvP is a joke and has been for a long time. It takes a person with very low self esteem to be happy they killed some guy 3v1, or 5v1, or such, which is what world pvp usually is - ganging up on 1 person then ganking him with your group. Or killing an undergeared / low level player. Or an AFK player. World pvp is pathetic in most forms, and the one time it could be cool, which is like the 50v50 open world fights, then you’re lagging so hard you wish you went somewhere else.

So yeah.

Stick to your casual content and enjoy your MMORPG the way you like to, nobody is stopping you from doing so.

Some people pay their monthly sub just to do ICC for a chance at Invincible, then log off until next week.

Most people here want to understand how to win and then receive rewards for it, rating, and get their dopamine points.

To the Batmobile :bat:

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:joy: :joy:

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Same bro same
That one time i played Outlaw rogue and stucked, if i just rolled 6 buffs all the time but i just got unlucky

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Yes, i’m sure it can sound like a lot of things when i’m the person you disagree with.

The fact is, you’re trying to ad hominem as opposed to actually argue against what i said, so basically this is a resignation, and you’re admitting i win the argument by behaving that way.

Notice, the people arguing have nothing to say about what i argued.

They’re just trying to pretend it is a joke because they know they have nothing; and they hate what i’m saying because i’m robbing them of their fake ego they gained from an RNG game with gear (LOL).

Let’s see a real attempt to prove me wrong by what i said. Let’s argue, and i’ll show you i’ve already won the argument.

You won’t of course, because then you’d be exposed for being wrong, which you’re clearly insecure about.

You can’t say “it’s all skill!!” when there is gear and RNG, i’m sorry, you just can’t… Oh… And addons LOL. Just please stop, it is laughable.

I’m sorry i had to be the one to explain the basic logic that RNG is not something taken seriously in competition. Might as well take uno seriously at this point.

“Why are some people always high rating!!”

Because they use better gear? Better addons? Because they play more? They use an easier comp? Because it is team based, and who you partner with muddies your individual skill? That the teammate can be subject to the same factors mentioned, and adds a whole other layer of variables that can make it an uneven playing field.

Hello? This is obvious. Oh, and the balance is terrible.

Better addons/build/comp does not mean they’re a better player in terms of actual skill as they play in the game. This is just a fact.

It is like having someone in a running race driving a car, then saying the guy in the car is better at running races. Ridiculous.

The whole point of what i’m saying is : we’re all playing on an uneven field, and so, the actual best players aren’t really discernable by “rating”.

Nobody with a rationale mind should be taking rating seriously in a game with gear/addons/RNG… It is quite simply ridiculous.

Oh, also love these rating religion people coping off eachother with their cringe jokes, notice, any attempt at argument is just getting ruined by me.

You can’t beat me in an argument, i’m here challenging you. Let’s see it.

All you can try to say is : “B-but we can all get gear so it’s fair!”.

But again, here we have to believe proving that the actual individual skill can’t be taken seriously unless we factor in all the tools people have opted to use as a part of that skill. We include addons, we’re supposed to pretend someone using addons has as difficult at time as someone without? I’m sorry, no.

Some people have made the game so easy for themselves as they actually play it. I believe, in arena, what we should be trying to discern is the individual’s skill as they perform the game on the same footing as other people IN the actual fight. Not because they use an easier setup or whatever other variable.

The fact is, making it even is impossible for this game, and so rating should be scrapped as a concept. It is not for games like this.

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Looking back about 20 years of WoW, the classic implementation was by far the worst. Reached R13 afking AV & farming a weaker premade in WSG.

While we do not have pre-sets now, like in legion, gear acquisition is insanly fast and anyone can gear cap a character in 2 weeks. I also like the mini-scaling that they do in BG Blitz (330->480). Maybe they can add this to any mode, so that you still have an incentive to get honor gear but are just a bit stronger with a fresh toon. But maybe warbands will make this a non issue in the future anyway