It is comparisment to the other talents, if it was not clear. Ravager is silly powerful and value, in comparisment to the other nodes. Combine Rav, Reck and OS trifecta and we talking uncontested in all forms of content.
(the one exception being a 12seccond fight, where OF win)
Hope that clears it up for you
ravager should just be flat out deleted.
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I would like to replace raveger with fury shadowlands, bfa bladestorm.
You’re literally wrong.
Ravager is the superior version of bladestorm in every way. generates rage, does soft capped aoe damage which fury lacks, gives you strength, but still allows you to cast abilities while it’s working.
If you disagree, you frankly don’t know wtf you’re talking about. Ravager is an awesome ability. In terms of output and gameplay.
If anything arms bladestorm should be changed to resemble ravager more. Not the opposite if that’s what you wanna suggest.
Bladestorm is a terrible ability by comparison.
it looks dumb and that’s why it should be deleted.
It has 0 fun involved it is just fire and forget.
it doesn’t matter if it is currently super good or not. If it does 90% of your dmg, i would still think it is a dumb ability that should be deleted
You don’t make a lot of sense.
Looking dumb is 100% subjective, that’s literally as subjective as it gets, and it’s frankly irrelevant. People could think stormstrike looks dumb, does that mean it should be removed?
If that’s the level of argument you have, please just leave, seriously.
0 fun involved and just fire and forget? It’s pretty clear you don’t know wtf you are talking about. Also, 90% of your damage? Where are you getting those numbers from? Your butt? Seems so.
how about you leave if you are only throwing insults and act like a 12 yrar old that cannot argue?
you are unable to understand a simple sentence, congratz.
now go back into school so learn how to appropriately talk with people and how to understand a sentence.
not worth explaining anything to you
Ravager shouldn’t get more power then it already has and shouldn’t be debateable. It’s a boring talent to play which is mandatory in any situation. If anything needs to be changed make odyn’s fury good again like in legion or buff fury single target for the love of god ! All i see is fire mage buffs in patch notes which they are already ok to begin with.
I see, any other pearls of wisdom?
What are you gonna preach to me about next?
Your argument was frankly trash, it was purely subjective, and didn’t even make sense, i answered: some people might think stormstrike looks dumb, does that mean it should be removed? To highlight just how stupid your argument was.
And your response is: Woe is me, you are so TOXIC.
Just be gone, if you don’t have anything intelligent to say, at least funky had an actual point, whether i agree or disagree, although the argument was always about gameplay rather than how powerful ravager is. You don’t.
If you want WW stacks from Ravager they should replace Hurricane nod with it. Do you ready to sacrifice Hurricane for WW stacks? I think no.
I understand how Making all cleave within the ravager being over powered my 2 cents, is making the ravager actually give you the stacks from whirlwind initially just like they did with odyn’s fury this is not overpowered and it will save the initial gcd then you continue with normal game play, IMO this would balance the start of aoe out a little better.
It’s more about situations where you waste rage.
I like the idea of making ravager give you stacks of cleaver, i also liked the idea of re introducing the torghast ability that would just whirl after rampage, that was very nice.
Replace Spear of Bastion and avatar with something more fun. Is anyone actually enjoying spear of bastion? Avatar should just be a prot warrior talent, and recklessness should be our biggest damage cooldown… What is the point of having these 2 as seperate abilities, when recklessness just gets macroed into ravager and avatar. I think they should make ravager an ability that warriors only use for AoE, and replace odyn’s fury with a single target ability. It would be nice to have one with big number scaling like UH DK gargoyle, so we can run with augvokers xd
I dont macro my reck into those as you need them situationally in mythic + seems like a bad move xD
Reck always goes with rav, don’t forget to use avatar before you use reck so you keep the bonus duration (but don’t hold reck/rav for avatar, but you can hold avatar for reck/rav) 
Rav is supposed to be building AoE value (like bladestorm), while OF is supposed to be AoE burst (it doesn’t do a good job at it, but hey)
OF already got an opposite, that being OS. They kind of both are supposed to fill the opposite roles of eachother as the AoE burst button and ST burst button. Problem of course being that Fury Warrior cleaves 50% of ST damage up to 5 targets, so OS gets a lot of value in AoE as well (don’t forget tenderise stacks) - while OF is target capped… to 1 on the bleed, and 8 targets damage softcap on AoE. Now add to the fact that OF does less damage than the OS+TD value, and that you get 3 OS in one OF timeframe… yeah… OF is really really bad.
I could go on about OF, as it is really could need some love… but that is another post all together.
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