Reclaiming Gilneas... I should have known it would be a let down

Then I guess we should delete all war games, games with violence and anything to do with earning money :stuck_out_tongue:

But I just wish the game would go back to the way it was, with the conflict between the Horde & Alliance as it was meant to be. I understand your point of view and what some people want, but then why not get rid of Horde & Alliance factions all together.

I just hope there will be some form of conflict in TWW and not more of “lets hold hands and skip through the park!”.

But again I understand your point, but this is what I’d personally want to see return to the game.

Making amends? I won’t say what I want, otherwise the post will get flagged/reported. But I don’t agree with any form of amends… Sylvanas did nothing wrong :stuck_out_tongue:

But I’m glad we agree on the part, where the quest line could have indeed been played out longer, if they put more effort into the creation of the story. Could have milked out at least a week’s worth of content for people to go, instead of just plow through everything in like 25 to 30 minutes.

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Well if people want that perhaps they should not be seeking this in a game called world of WARcraft. Perhaps something like mario is more fitting for you if you want to play a storygame with no real strife

The essence of warcraft is orcs vs humans and it all being about war

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No this is nothing the “majority” ever wanted. People wanted to play cross faction for gameplay purposes, not to have this toothless hippie narrative of factions not existing anymore and holding hands like we’re watching Dora the Explorer, no one wanted this except for a few of you and the Blizzard’s spineless team of writers.

What the hell is this? I don’t even know how to respond but I can guarantee that if the franchise started this lame and sterile, it would never have gotten close to its total level of popularity ever. Warcraft was always a cool take on generic fantasy that went all out, not a “renewal” therapy session for hippies.

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Hense why I will never type what I really think, because there are individuals in this community, who would report the post for hurting their feelings :stuck_out_tongue:

But I do understand where Dagyron is coming from, with their thoughts. But of course as mentioned I won’t truly say what is on my mind, as people get offended far too easily in this day & age.

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That is a load of crap right there.

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Well, that was a thing I did.

Could have done with a few more quests and a boss with enough mechanics to take my (not highly geared) worgen alt down below 90% health.

Also, did we really need another My Little Pony story about the power of friendship and the importance of sharing emotions?

All-in-all, kinda low key for something that should be a significant lore event. At least my alt has a nice new Gilneas themed outfit.

5 weeks of game time left, remind me never to buy the 12 month sub again.

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Attempting to get past the profanity filter is against the forum rules. Just letting you know.

I wasn’t impressed with it. It could have been something, it’s a story where closure has been requested for ages now. And it was sort of meh, and short, and small scale, and all in all rather irrelevant.

I did really love the interior of the cathedral. Very pretty. That was the highlight.

Don’t worry, their words don’t even reach me. I was active (with my old undead) in the old forum. People were frustrated about Garrosh and Sylvanas warmongering every time there was peace so close. Oh and all the Jaina hatred when she was trying to start a war between horde and alliance.

Even in WC3 at the end we came together to kill the big bad evil. People who ignore that like those post above, never played the games, never read the lore, live in a bubble or all of those. That’s why I couldn’t give two cakes about their opinion. Since WC3 it was always Azeroth united VS evil something. Horde alliance union Vs death wing children, cthun, Illidan, Lich King, Titan Keepers, old god, death wing, Garrosh, alternate dimension orcs, legion, Sylvanas, old god again, death bald guy, captain planets pets.

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Didn’t the Blizz writing team change Garrosh and Simpvanas to create bickering between the two factions?

They should’ve named the game World of Azeroth, just for the sake of it :dracthyr_tea:

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That was the Idea, but turned it then into the formula of Azeroth VS that one evil guy/gurl. I mean, you can’t create a Horde system where most leaders value honor and are knightly misfits, and expect their players to be cool with a genocidal leader that has nothing to do with the WC3 horde, the game which the game was based of.

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Me too I have enjoyed the first 15 minutes of it.
The first 15 minutes were amazing and then…
… then everything changed:
It ended.

I’m not very pleased.

The main issue for me isn’t the idea of Horde and Alliance no longer being “a thing” and it becoming more “nations working together”, it’s HOW they’re doing it.

“Warcraft” no longer needs to be “Horde vs Alliance” to still be "War"craft. Azeroth has had far, FAR bigger issues than “Humies verses Orcsies” since Wrath. It’s felt badly forced for most since Wrath, with the exception of Mists and Garrosh. THAT was done right.

So I’m fine if with “War Within” and “Midnight” (esp with “all elves being reunited”) if the Alliance falls apart and the Horde disappears. Bliz cannot seem to pull a reasonable reason for having this happen. It COULD have all worked far better… if they had talent and ability in their story-telling staff. They don’t.

And that is what I’m grinding my teeth over with Gilneas and how this will play out in future. “Forgiveness” between nations is an absolute requirement if there’s going to be a real peace. There needs to be justice, sure (but then, Garrosh has been more than punished, and so has Sylvanus, so… that’s dealt with), but Forgiveness and reconciliation is also required… and that means REAL writing, from people with REAL ability (not just having ticked a box to be employed).

That’s what is lacking. Having the Forsaken come in to help Gilneas isn’t the issue. It’s how they have portrayed everything up to this point, and how they told the story. Glenn was a brilliant character: but this latest “offering” has made him an Oathbreaker to his people. Any King that does what he did in this is utter scum. Also, he was a REAL man up to recently… now he’s a beta weepy little wuss. But his “strong, compassionate daughter” (someone I know nothing about who seems to have done nothing of note and who seems to have appeared from no-where, that’s how insignificant a character she’s been since she first appeared) is Queen?!

Kings and Queens do not abdicate unless they committed a terrible crime against their Oath to their people. To Abdicate because “they feel sad, and don’t understand things that these modern kids do” is betrayal to their people and oath-breaking. Again, another great character in WoW ruined by idiots in Blizzard.

Oh, and to add: Malfurion and Tyrande are no longer leading Night Elves… because “holiday” and “super good awesome” daughter (seeing the theme?) can now do it as she’s proven (how? when? where?) she can. We’re constantly being “told” that X character is the one to do it without ever SEEING them DO it. Didn’t even know Tyrande and Malfurion HAD a daughter… again, that’s how insignificant this character is… yet we’re to believe that two of the oldest characters in the game, who’ve suffered and fought for their people for 10,000 years… will just take a break and living in a cottage in the sticks?

Bliz needs to boot out the inept writers and staff and start hiring real talent, for their “ideas” might have some merit, but their execution sucks balls big time.

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GIGIDI

But yes I agree with your points

Except for Shandris. She is well established in the lore since forever. And after all the stuff Tyrandes and Malfurion had to go through they deserve a pause. It’s like 10k years or so since they last time could enjoy each other. Dude was sleeping and than WC3 and wow happened.

As I said in another post: Warcraft’s story is extremely BLOATED with tons and tons of characters that have 0 space and time to be developed. If the game would be made on similar terms as W1-3 was (ie: we control lore characters and play through a story), this wouldn’t really be an issue. BUT, because we are CHAMPYUNS of the high Heavens, a godsend to this world, WE do absolutely everything instead of everyone.

It is our story and everyone else is just a filler sadly.

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Ahem that is what the community cried for?
Noone remember the outrage from like 2012-2015 where people cried that npc did the crucial stuff (green Jesus for example) and the player got 0 credit/ was the side kick? In BFA it was the first time that they implemented the champion in a cinematic as central hero to appease the players. After that it became normal to be the middle of everything and npcs being the side chicks

Green Jesus is a meme that’s returning with his Father in reign :dracthyr_blob_dance_animated:

Again, became a meme to be the champyun of Azeroth. In the beginning we were adventurers roaming the lands and getting gold for our efforts, now we became gods, nearly the only people who can deal with anything that happens on the globe. Basically we started as helping the strong characters around us, now they “help” us clean up. We were thanked to deal with C’thun too, or LK, but we weren’t licked to the point that our bottom is shinier than Nipple Prince’s head.

As I said in another post: the game is different now than it was 20 years ago and it’s getting the same treatment as anything going on for decades.

Yeah but since legion we are not Mary from the store next door adventures guild. First we have that legendary weapon, the we got the heart and champ, then maw walker. I think this addon we are the first time again adventures? But it’s just because of the feedback.
We are the heroes +, we want to be the focus > player becomes focus.
Stop making the npc obsolete! > npcs become important > step 1.
I think that cycles will keep repeating a few addons.

I swear, the Scarlet Crusade only exists to be punching ball for everyone.

They’re like Team Rocket. Nobody can take them seriously.

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Yes, in the beginning we were adventurers, but by the end of vanilla we became heroes/champions/lords.

Just look at these quests:
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Lord_of_Blackrock_(Alliance)_(2)
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Celebrating_Good_Times
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Heart_of_Hakkar
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Savior_of_Kalimdor
IIRC first real recognition of our actions came with WotLK. For Alliance the quest Enlistment Day rcognizes them for their deeds (https://www.wowhead.com/quest=11672/enlistment-day), while for the Horde Overlord Saurfang had two special quests in case the player killed Nefarian (https://www.wowhead.com/quest=11595/the-defense-of-warsong-hold) or obtained the Scarab Lord title (https://www.wowhead.com/quest=11597/the-defense-of-warsong-hold). Bonus points if You did the Hero of the Mag’har quest chain - Garrosh recognized You in the quest Hellscream’s Vigil (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Hellscream%27s_Vigil)

With texts like this: “If we had even a dozen more soldiers with your power, we would be sitting in Orgrimmar right now, hunched over a warm fire” I wouldn’t say that considering the player a one man army is a new thing.