What I want to know is, afterwards, can you actually use Gilneas as a city? Is it actually an Alliance city now, or is it still abandoned immediately after the quests?
Well the Forsaken abandoned Gilneas after Sylvanas went off the deep end because of lava eel vore. (Her actual justification for siding with the jailer in the book). Plus theyâre led by Queen Calia now, who is peace-driven. Gilneas Reclaimation happened after the Forsaken kinda lost their empire there was no reason for them to fight over it.
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Itâs full of NPCâs and thereâs a bank but itâs not treated as a true capital. Itâs more of a RP spot now.
It really is ridiculous to me that the Scarlet Crusade is being exploited - yet again - as a supposedly irredeemable villainous force.
I canât get on board with that. The Scourge were an incredibly horrifying threat who rampaged through much of the Eastern Kingdoms. The lucky victims were either displaced or killed outright. The unlucky ones were defiled and raised into undeath.
Worse yet, every attempt to reclaim the lost lands has been foiled by yet more undead as well as some of the former inhabitants who chose to flee rather than stand their ground.
Cutting down yet more people who want nothing more than to wipe out the undead in all its unnatural glory is justâŚreally tone deaf. The Forsaken are not innocent misunderstood victims. They actively sought to sabotage and defile the living at many a turn and the only way they can replenish their numbers is by defiling the dead (be it scavenging corpses to replace rotting limbs or using necromancyâŚ) but one of the first quests to reclaim Gilneas consists of criticising the Scarlet Crusade for destroying buried corpses so that they cannot be arisen into undeath.
I miss what this game used to beâŚ
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I expected nothing, and still got disappointed.
It was also ironic as I had to first finish the Forsaken vs Worgen Cataclysm storyline to get some zoning issues out of the way.
Moving from guerilla warfare, outwitting the other side, kidnapping, plague bombardment, and betrayal toâŚthis⌠was pretty tedious. And of course, every disney trope is checked.
-Playing kissy kissy with the enemy faction for no reason whatsoever
-Having a threatless threat being the enemy (seriously, the Scarlet Crusade should be dead by now, how the hell are they supposed to be taken seriously?)
-Genn bending the knee to let his daughter lead because seeing a bunch of undead makes him shakey, just so we can have our strong woman⢠leadership moment
-âRacism bad, personality goodâ
-âOh noes my religion is not helping me kill these monsters I donât understandâ âThatâs because you are the monster, fanaticism bad!â
-Boohoo my feefees boohoo my heart
-Blabla the world is changing
-Genn leaving his daughter to lead because she has proven her worth a thousand times by killing the whoopin 50 remaining dudes in the Scarlet Crusade
-The end
Special mention for whoever wrote âMisssiveâ with a triple S and whoever animated Tess doing the /train emote.
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I agree with almost everything aside that stuff about Tess. Sheâs actually one of the better characters out there that got developed over time instead of beicoming the 50th girlboss in a row.
Other than that, it feels like this whole ordeal should have been Worgen vs Forsaken. I would not have minded playing a losing battle quest. Canât win them all. Or any as Horde. But having forsaken fighting FOR the worgen because Calia winked at Genn, thatâs pure idiocy. Whoever wrote this crap either did it so they wouldnât bother to work on a more complex quest line for the Horde or they have pink hair.
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I actually do like Tess myself, I played Rogue in Legion, when character building was still relevant. But why the hell did Genn just cower away? Each time you hear the word âGilneasâ, you have a 95% chance for Genn to be around, but now that he can have his city back, he just takes a step back because he sees Forsaken? Seems extremely shoehorned just so they wanted to make Tess look good as the new leader.
This whole charade is the incarnation of âwin without risk is to triumph without gloryâ.
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If you also did Belâameth you should notice that Tyrande and Malfurion are stepping away too. Looks like they are semi-retiring and passing on roles to the next generation, though of course they will still be relevant big lore character NPCs and crop up time to time. Genn is handling things in Stormwind with Anduinâs absence, despite Turalyon in charge, and the other two just want a break.
I am disappointed that Gilneas is not a proper City but maybe that will come in the next patch, much like the village of Belâameth came around. They need time to repair.
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Ok done. It was cute but too short.
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No I havenât done that, and yes it might be what they are doing, but boy is it badly done.
I never played Alliance, so I canât know, but I remember seeing Cataclysm pictures of Gilneas during the worgen questline. Surely the âgates of Gilneasâ arenât that 4 meters long doors that we pull during the questline, right?
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Cause heâs old and tired and a crappy character. All his spiel was really hating Sylvanas. There was nothing else to this character. He tried to be Anduinâs daddy but he was like a decade too late. Itâs better that they retire him and let his daughter, who, as opposed to most girlbosses has earned her keep.
But Iâll be honest, the most annoying character to me at this point is Lilly, sheâs going for the title with her becoming buddies with Alliance leaders, Baine will be jealous. Not to mention that the Forsaken are supposed to be a council but itâs mostly Calia running things and Lilly running around and shaking everyoneâs hand and trying to be their best fried. We are becoming what I dreaded for the span of this game - the Allianceâs ugly buddies.
You can tell most of dev time went to Bel Ameth because Gilneas is so underwhelming. I hope there will be more to it because its just literally a ghost town.
The quest was very lame considering it was one of the major points of the patch. Done in 10min. Horrible story made even worse just so it would make sense that horde players could complete it. Because they Cleary couldnt be bothered to do two different quests one for Londareon for the Horde or something different. So the quest just doesnt even make sense but whatever.
I really hope this is the first chapter of more quests and story for Gilneas and a rebirth of the city. I thought it would be like Bel Ameth but no it feels completely empty and dead.
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This is really the crux of it. The forsaken needed to be the ones to defend it. Instead of the scarlet cleansing the graves it should have been forsaken death knights raising undead zombies from the gilnean corpses to fight the worgen. With thier reasoning of holding the city being pure depressive spite in that they. You could have even included that calia did not want to do this but got out voted by the council.
This setting needs faction conflict damn it, the story just doesnt work when you try to hand wave away military conflicts as just old men being silly. Tess should also not have been made queen she hasnât done anything, sheâs not a worgen, and her forgiving the forsaken throws away the core of the gilnean theme.
This new direction of forgiveness is boring and tasteless. When it comes to the factions wow needs to be about people not letting go, it needs to be about those nelfs that murder every undead they can becuase they keep having nightmares about seeing their family burned alive. Or old orks that still hate the alliance for enslaving them in camps for the invasion of their parents. And forsaken that hate themselves and humanity for rejecting them due to being undead. These are interesting themes becuase these are human themes. Real people dont forgive within a half a decade, they hold onto things like this for their entire lives and it makes them darker and bigoted in a way that is incredibly tragic but very understandable.
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I just played through it and⌠there ainât much to is there?
12 quests or so? Half of them kill quests. Takes about 30 minutes resulting in a Gilneas thatâs sparsely populated with some NPCâs and no further adventures at all.
If you travel around Gilneas afterwards youâll find an NPC or two here or there and theyâll have some things to say about rebuilding it, but the place still feels exceedingly barren⌠everybodyâs got a problem but nobody wants me to help.
The city itself - half of itâs empty, half of itâs got people in it. This is to be expected as they did suffer a genocide after all⌠thereâs a couple of people in the Graymane Manor and you can tell them to go away if you wanna use it for some RP.
Iâd have liked a little more Gilneas adventure. Some 20 quests spread around the zone or whatever.
Itâs⌠fine? I guess? It doesnât live up to the hype for sure, but itâs not a harmful addition to the game either. Itâs just kindda⌠there. Which is better than before where the map was literally completely barren. But I think there are a lot of worgen players who hoped for more.
And then thereâs the continuing themes of hugs and no fighting except against old enemies nobody cared about any more anyway. Iâm getting a little fed up with the hugging.
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It makes sense to me that Bel Ameth got more attention as it was central to the entire expansion.
Also makes sense that Gen stepped down as leader as he knew he couldnt reconcile with the ForsakenâŚand the Forsaken Council helping makes sense too as they are on a big PR kick following SL.
In fact I would of liked to see some Worgen and Forsaken in Gilneas afterwards. Not in the general town but maybe a very shady shantytown on the outskirts where dodgy wolves and zombies get up to dodgy things!!LOL
All in all though Id rather they hadnt reclaimed Gilneas if this is itâŚ
of course there is always the chance that its just the first phase in their storyline and things in the Eastern Kingdoms will develop further.
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wdym she has barely done anything for the worgen and most of her involvement in the game has been in the rogue campaign.
The entire theme of worgen is centred around hating undead, one faction hating another is the fundamental building block of this games lore.
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Might not have done much but still did something. Asid the fact that sheâs better than her dad by virtue of him being so bad at leading itâs amazing the crocks form the gilnean swamps havenât taken over Gilneas, sheâs one of the more informed characters in this game, her presence throughout the game usually complemented with a plan that actually makes sense aside killing 5 demons and 3 imps. Sheâs a very good infiltrator and seems to be very focused on being informed well, unlike Genn who didnât give a crap and which led to Gilneas being caught with itâs pants down when the Forsaken showed up.
Tess is better and more established than may of the girlbosses out there who have done nothing aside get angry at stuff and bark at people and that counts for something in my opinion.
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I kinda hoped Gilneas would be turned into a real functional city like Stormwind, Ironforge ect.
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You are not alone. Feels like a medium-size questing hub without quests⌠A far cry from what we all wanted.
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This isnt an argument for anything she has never lead or governed at all. Anyone can look competent when your objectives are easily attainable.
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