Also so many of the conflicts and ‘details’ getting added in AFTER the fact, e.g. WC3 as played out in game being very different to what Chronicles retroactively calls canon 
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They were busy being genocided by the centaur (something else the NElves didn’t help with…). That’s why Baine cheered as Teldrassil burned.
I think you could argue Tyrande didn’t want to send an army overseas in the likelihood that the Legion might use the opportunity to attack Kalimdor and reach the Well of Eternity & Nordrassil. She sensed the Legion at work, meaning she knew it was probably only the beginning.
Cue to Tyrande being right and the Legion sending it’s largest invasion force since the War of the Ancients.
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I find this a non-argument.
This started from a conversation about Tyrande being mean to nightborne, and someone went full mode whataboutism regarding a very peculiar circumstance, namely the fact that Tyrande should have somehow risked her people’s way of life and very life to cross the sea and fight in a foreign land for foreign people because she had a sensation at the beginning of the third war.
It doesn’t help that it is even a minor retcon, generic at that, and sensing influence =|= knowing that a worldwide invasion is about to strike (something something war of the satyr also had the legion’s influence).
Yes, the nightborne joining the Horde was weird. And no, it doesn’t matter that Tyrande wasn’t this paragon of morality 100% of the time.
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Not knowing. Anticipating. If option A means weaking your homefront to stamp out what might very well be a distraction sent by the Legion, then it’s not really suprising the night elves weren’t prepared to do that.
The ‘special relationship’ between Nelves and Tauren (and HM Tauren/Huln lmao) wss absolutely a later retcon/bolt-on and everyone knows it. Come on 
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She didn’t even send a scout though. She did nothing. It’s okay for that to be a mistake. Tyrande’s not flawless.
Oh no doubt. Just like Broxigar being a hero to the Night Elves with his own statue was, only for none of the NElves to know wth an orc is when they showed up in Ashenvale. Whoops. Time travel stories can cause problems if you didn’t plan them ahead of time.
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You’re not forced to explore that in your own RP. The chain of logistics of that information reaching your character requires several steps for you to participate in — information isn’t uploaded to your character’s brain the moment an expansion launches.
What I mean is that rageposting about it for years on the forums about how upset you are OOC and actively call for retconning everything from ever happening sounds like a miserable way to engage with the game. You don’t sound happy, and I’m not sure if you have been for a long time.
Furthermore if we go strictly by what’s in the lore, then no religion is going to change, because every faith and culture’s afterlife remains explicitly canon. They specifically spell this out several times through out Shadowlands.
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OK, but your comment was response to someone saying they don´t acknowledge Shadowlands IC.
They do, and then they send paladins to Maldraxxus and Bastion.
It´s as if the story is extremely inconsistent.
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The Nightborne aligning with the Horde is only weird if you look at it solely from the perspective of joining the Horde…as opposed to identifying that the Blood Elves are not only their descendants but have endured the exact same struggles that they themselves have gone through both in terms of having to turn against a formerly beloved leader figure who sided with the Burning Legion as well as an addiction to magic.
Add in the horrific atrocities inflicted upon the Blood Elves at the hands of Garithos and the Kirin Tor as well as the disgusting torture and murder of innocent civilians under the instruction of Vereesa Windrunner and it strikes me as entirely reasonable for the Nightborne to want to work alongside the Blood Elves (and perhaps more reluctantly the rest of the Horde) as opposed to the faction that has twice attempted to murder a specific group of Elves with little regard for the nuance behind their actions at the time.
Of course, that’s mostly built into an era of the game that no longer exists as the factions barely exist these days. It remains to be seen whether that status quo remains or if the faction war eventually comes back, even if only as ‘skirmishes’.
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Which comes from a place of OOC hatred and contempt and they doubled down on them ignoring a lot of other things too — a common theme in that person’s posts across different threads!
They sent one Paladin to Maldraxxus who mistook Bastion for the Light (which are not one and same, as once again specifically pointed out in Shadowlands) on first sight and questioned the decision, but by the end of it came to realise that Maldraxxus was where he truly belonged despite his initial doubts*
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You’re very insistant that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is miserable.
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They´re probably unhappy people don´t want to RP in Shadowlands with them.
I don’t involve Shadowlands related things in my RP because it’s not relevant to my characters. In spite of that, the lore still exists. One can acknowledge it without liking it. Again the issue isn’t Shadowlands specific, but a part of a wider trend where people rage post on the forums for years on end complaining about how much they hate everything.
That’s not to say you can’t criticise things — there’s plenty I actively dislike in Shadowlands, Dragonflight and The War Within as well. There comes a point where an onlooker cannot help but wonder why the person continues to play the game that causes them to appear that miserable every time they engage with it.
I don’t think a person who’s truly happy with their hobby devotes that much time trashing it month after month.
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You keep pivoting to talking about people that don´t view Shadowlands as canon, yet my response (which was in turn response to what you replied to Karinar) was purely about acknowledging Shadowlands ICly.
It seems like you´re just shadowboxing here by acting like I´m fighting here against Shadowlands being canon.
Here´s something so many of the “wHy PlAy tHE gAMe?” people don´t seem to realize: The game can be good, even amazing, while the lore can be bad. Similarly, the RP that people get out of the setting can be absolutely awesome despite the modern lore of the setting being bad.
DF was an absolutely amazing expansion (to me) that had terrible lore. Does that mean I should have stopped playing because I disliked the story and trashed it regularly, when I absolutely loved the game itself?
Which hobby are you talking about? RP or World of Warcraft? Because I really don´t see how someone´s liking of RP should be centered around being positive about current developments of the lore. And, as I said above, hating the story doesn´t mean you don´t enjoy the actual game either, so what exactly is this hobby people are trashing?
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The devs at Blizzard must have been truly unhappy then as they spent 24 months on Shadowlands.
I can’t fault anyone for talking ill of Shadowlands for decades to come, outside of the game itself it also encapsulates the perfect storm of everything wrong with that company coming to a head in a vortex of crap.
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Ahem.
Horde rules, Alliance drools.
Your “greatest warrior” got disenchanted for less than what Deadmines greens go for whilst ours shot a kamehameha through a dragon. And, yes. I hope you enjoy your little cities and prissy elf-houses, but in the end, a “barbaric mud hut” has proven to fare way better in a siege than entire thousand-year-old night elven towns.
And, as much as I hate the Banshee, I’d do it all again.
You see me in those catapults and you think I was “following orders”? I did it because I liked it! I was good at it. Perhaps even the best.
And, no, I will not read these messages, on how “Horde Bad” and “Why Horde Leader Raid Boss”. I’ll tell you why. I’ll tell you why THE HORDE makes for such great villains, why even a sniveling unprepared pup like Garrosh Hellscream made for a better antagonist than a billion-year-old fire-dragon – because we’re STRONGER. We’re BETTER. Had we sieged Stormwind instead, had we fought Varian Wrynn, he’d have gone down with no fight, no glory, and some weakling justification in the end. Why are so many horde leaders villains? Because they can actually maintain an army. They can actually have others follow their cause. Unlike your gnomes, and your dwarves…
“Bu-bu-but peace!” “Brennadam!” “Teldrassil!” “The Sludge Fields!” I’d do it ten times over. I’d raise Sylvanas back to undeath just so she can sack Gilneas all over again and either make Tess Greymane an orphan or that old mutt 0 for 2 on alive kids. Put me in a zeppelin and fly me over Bel’ameth and watch me make the druid meeting in stonetalon a mere FOOTNOTE in history.
So yes, Ladies, Gentlemen, and weak Alliance filth; the Horde is Cool.
Aka’magosh.
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All of which happened before the nightborne even met them, wasn’t as black-and-white as you make it out to be, and ignores the atrocities the blood elves and their allies visited upon the night elves, high elves and destroyed city-state of Theramore, which had one of the largest high elven populations in the world.
To be fair, wasn’t that story that he belonged in Maldraxxus because he couldn’t lose his memories, which is no longer the case in Bastion, so he should fit in Bastion better now?
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The history was about the obnoxious fact that even the righteous paladins are denied the Light because a robot says so, and in this case one is offered a nice choice between joining Scourge but worse and a memory wipe. It’s irrelevant which of the two fit him better, the very idea is abhorrent.
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