Regarding Man'ari

This is the amount of demons I killed alone IC so it’s probably in the tens of billions over all

I can see most of that making sense, but I am not entirely sure about the last bits there… If a Legion ship suddenly appeared in the sky, white flag or no, I think everyones response would be to attack it.

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any character with a better memory than a goldfish would just blow it up

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Depends how it’s played, but I’d be very wary of it myself.

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Except the defeat of the Lord of the Burning Legion, the death of Kil’Jaeden and Talgath (and possibly Archimonde) - basically the main draenei bad guys which inspired the pact; a race of fel-addled elves turning towards the Light thanks to them, a new world to call home as opposed to the fel that devoured it, space ships and a lightforged army.

The defeat of the Burning Legion is a massive deal.

Oh, yes, just as they did with the forsak— wait, remind me again what happened to the emissaries sent by Sylvanas?

They probably try
Yes
It is a matter of teleportation , the ambassador arrives first or the attack ordered
Sure probably woudl try to kill it, becasue trickery and all
But what kind?
I mean jumping above a city and NOT attacking, while an emissary arrives could raise a few question
I admit, it was just a scenario top of my head, but remember the “Blue Eredar” after they crashlanded?
They managed to not be murdered with diplomacy and they not really had anything to back up their words, “we are blue, we are good aliens who resemble your age old enemies!!!”

The sentinel was wounded, nearly dead, and told she’d kill them before going unconscious.

That moment?

I’m not sure if such unadulterated sillyness should even merit a serious response.

No, it doesn’t. Time for some decent dinner at a fine establishment. I guess we’re going to see these tepid discussions hijacking every Eredar/Draenei thread for next 4 months. It’s like High Elf/Darlfallen posters.

It only took one Elf to vouche for the Void abominations… void tainted herself

In theory yes, but that’s kind of surface level.

If you were to accept the Legion ships into the Alliance, that would likely end up with a mass exodus of other Alliance races. Ren’dorei are accepted amongst the Alliance but not smiled upon by many of it’s citizens for example. The Legion are far more nefarious than the ren’dorei and have wronged the Alliance in a much greater way.

Similarly with the Horde, I can’t imagine the tauren would be all too happy with Legion ships, the mag’har certainly wouldn’t wish to accept them as allies, and just in general I could imagine it causing divides.

The opportunity cost of having the spaceship full of demons as allies would come at a price of pre-existing members of the two factions feeling uncomfortable at best and rebellious at worst

Okay, name one race you would’t trade for the backup from the Legion? :smiley:
Or better yet, who would left
Night Elves? They would be better without the Alliance
Gnomes, Dwarves? After the Dark Iron I don’t think they would
But as I said, my scenario been a hyperbloic one ,but still, tell me not seen simialr before?

But burning world trees is okay? :slight_smile:

Nice deflection.

Also, did you not RP around that time? The unease around the burning of Teldrassil was present in a TONNE of Horde characters. Plus all of the Saurfang nonsense going on. it wasn’t just “we unanimously agree to this”, it was literally a rift that lasted the entirity of BFA.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just being dense.

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Let’s not forget that these Legion technologies have:

i) previously destroyed worlds
ii) extremely corruptive properties
iii) work by draining souls, not exclusively those of your enemies, but also anyone who dies nearby

Any religion on Azeroth would frown on that, heavily. And that’s putting it lightly.

And on top of it, you have hundreds of motivations that would lead most factions to NOPE out of that - tauren, several pro-Garrosh/pro-Thrall orcs which think Fel = bad, arguably draenei, and night elves to name a few out of the top of my head.

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I think people might be in for rude awakening when it comes to their eredar characters, both in terms of story and RP and I´d suggest to curb your expectations.

When it comes to story, we might get something akin to void elves, a specific small group with specific backstory, which will severely limit the options for RPing them according to the lore. On top of that, they might get additional “other races still won´t trust you” quest text, which will put playable eredar in the same place as playable Dark Rangers when it comes to their canon presence in Alliance cities (outside of Exodar).

And even if the story provides for total freedom, I can see characters in RP reacting in three ways:

  1. Full hostility (guilds and in general people taking story and consistency more seriously)
  2. Total acceptance and zero issues with you being a demon (Stormwind and all its barmaids)
  3. Ignoring eredar RPers because of bad reputation that will inevitably arise due to people getting angry OOC at group number 1.
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Realised there was more to the post than the stupid World Tree comment, so I want to address this

Literally not a single one, because the point of any sort of society isn’t to just go “x is stronger than y, so we take x”

It’s not just about taking the stronger force and leaving everything else to the wayside, it’s about loyalty and bonds. The Legion has destroyed a whole bunch of worlds and killed innumerable members of both the Horde and Alliance, while every group of people within those two factions has proven that they are willing to fight and die in order to maintain that faction.

To just go “yeah they stronger” is just a weird way of looking at things to be honest.
And it’s even weirder when we literally have two expansions in TBC and Legion that proves they aren’t stronger in the first place.

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I have already bought a tombstone for possible options of mine.

Never underestimate my dedication to this cause

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https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/An_Alternative_Alternative

Daedal says: This should do it…
Daedal says: Wake up little creature. Wake up from your slumber… You are safe now.
Injured Night Elf Priestess groans.
Injured Night Elf Priestess sits up.
Injured Night Elf Priestess says: Whe… Where am I? What… What is this place?
Injured Night Elf Priestess says: BY THE LIGHT OF ELUNE! Eredar! Cursed demons, what have you done to me? I have not come alone, we will fight you as we have in the past! I…
Injured Night Elf Priestess falls back into a coma.
Anchorite Fateema says: Man’ari… But how… We are not eredar! She must know! If there are others like her, we must find them and explain…

That elf just happens to be one of the Alliance’s greatest heroes to have ever lived. It’s kind of an important detail you miss when you simply call her “one elf”.

That elf is also married to Turalyon, probably the Alliance’s greatest hero after Anduin Lothar.

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It will also go down the same way as with every Allied Race and new race/customization option, whereas 75% of these RPers will just play Slice of Life characters in Stormwind and 20% who will try and follow the new status quo of their beloved race/class/OC based on Blizzard’s story and be disliked for it by virtually everyone. (the last 5% would be NPCs in guilds or have been Eredar since The Burning Crusade)

A wave of Mong’ari Eredar will flood Stormwind, Duskwood and Goldshire, make themselves very well heard and let everyone know that they are here to stay, then 2-3 months later almost all of them will vanish. We’ll be back to the same 4-5 players who have been RPing Man’ari for the past decade and a gaggle of Red Draenei who are into this for reasons we can’t discuss or mention in a PG+ game.

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goldshire is about to get a bit more colourful…

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The conversation above sums up my concerns about draenei warlocks and man’ari eredar being playable.