Okay, let me clarify something.
A good player would not care for the Raider IO issues in the topic as they are underneath them.
A good person would not care for Raider IO issues in the topic as they are surrounded with people that want to play for them regardless of the actual “gameplay”.
You clearly are neither.
PS: I Don’t even know the person, whom I am “supposedly” white knighting for, nor do I care. He did call people “part of the problem”, you did.
Let me clarify something i do not care i was not talking about raider Io AT ALL.
Why did you bring it up
And this is what YOU are trying to do right now just be aware of what you are saying again.
You are projecting what you yourself are that is clear now.
So what are you doing in this topic?
Good night.
It used to be instant castable with a soulbind, which was the problem most people had with it.
I want to clarify because this seems to have spiraled out of hand while I was raiding.
I did not say nobody should be inviting anything less than the most optimal thing to any group. I said that given no other factors (Me knowing them, their clearly superior experience or gear etc) I, as a spec who brings so little to m+, don’t want to bring other specs that also bring so little.
Same thing happened in BFA when I was doing much higher keys, I’m not going to willingly go into a hard key down bloodlust, or with zero battle rezzes, or with few reliable interrupts because of the flaws of my own class.
And no, I don’t think everyone should have everything… I’m not even sure where the idea I would want that came from, what I want is for every class to have something people would actually want to bring them for, and for those things to be comparable.
Giving lust to two classes with immunities, one a group damage buff, and then having both of them have some of the highest burst aoe in the game feels more like homogenising than anything I’d want. Right now it’s a choice between everything you’d want to bring and nothing. You give the melee dps that already a battle rez a raid mitigation cooldown. To me this makes no sense.
The covenants was changed a lot on the alpha/beta and is nothing like they are in the live version today, that is why I was on the topic before you felt the need to attack me to defend that person, who is not willing to take another person based on their covenant nothing else they can be the best player of the class in wow and he would not take that person because of the covenant.
He has 99 percentile logs for half of the bosses in the raid. Are you trolling or lying on purpose or just that oblivious?
Says the shadow priest who has been one of the top specs for 3 expansions in raids now. It should get a rework so the spec works without being super awsome or bad.
MM hunter and even Fire mage has been about burst for many many years that is the niche they hold this is things you should know already and i hope you do.
To take Mage it was given BL back at the start of cataclysm Hunters for BL at the start of cataclysm.
Aspect of the turtle came in to the game in cataclysm, (Deterrence as the ability was called back then, it existed before but in its current form that is when it start)
Ice block has existed from vanilla.
You did not complain about this for ALL these years but NOW you do.
Mages according to the forum here does not want to play fire because it is not a good spec to play (this is obv taken from what i read here it might be wrong) just like you did talk about when it came to shadow priest.
it came from that you are not ok with a 10% damage difference that is FAR to large of an amount for you to call it balanced and that is just damage.
That is literally why we have more than one class with blood lust for things to be comparable for you to want to get X class because you do not have Y class.
What blizzard deems as comparable the player base does not deem as comparable there is a disconnect there.
/facepalm
Would you learn to not take everything so direct?
Based on what he said him being taken in m+ IS HIM being boosted because Theoretically, he CAN NOT be better than a Meta spec.
That is what I was referring to right there.
I know you probably did not read what he said before you commented you can go back and read it again. It is on post 60 you can go read it.
What log % he has is irrelevant to what is being talked about in the first place.
Me: Hes very skilled
You: No hes boosted
Me: Logs prove otherwise
You: Lol context!
I didn’t realise I was engaging with the forum equivalent of a man on a soapbox ranting about 5G’s ability to mindcontrol us all.
Uh, what? Shadow priests were reworked in SL.
I know they were but the rework does not so far seem to work as is wanted.
There is a difference between what you want and what you get at times.
I never cared about that side of the issue but the one that DOES exist is having to choose between fun/optimal covenant spells that often clash with covenant aesthetics.
That’s 3 things to consider that you shouldn’t have to, whether you personally like the spell and how it feels to use, whether it’s competitive or trash tier, and whether you like the respective covenant’s mogs/mounts/storyline.
This choice is still inexcusable and is a reason why I’ll probably never see Bastion’s campaign for example.
Toxic much?
Elipsis just said that if you had a choice between a good class + good covenant and a bad class + bad covenant, you would take the better option 100% of the time. Its natural and as a group leader you just want a smooth run. You can argue how much you want that covenants dont matter. But its just not true. If you do halls of atonement, doesnt matter the key level, it will make the run significantly easier just by having ventyr in a group.
While making a group for a high key, you dont want to bring 3 shadow priests or 3 chickens, because their interrup is up once in a full moon and their aoe burst is lacking. Is it possible to time a key with composition like that? Ofc it is, but its easier if you bring just one of them and take hunter/dk to fill the group.
Literally the first thing the m+ groups ask when you enter the dungeon, before the key is even started “do we have someone with the covenant for this?”
The covenants were nerfed “to the ground” and now some classes have several viable options while others still see the difference in output up to 10%. People chose whats best for their class and there are still complains on the forums that covenants arent balanced.
I play often tank, so i went with ventyr, but i really like aesthetics of maldraxxus. The dk covenant ability from there is best for unholy, but useless for blood. Imo the power should have never been tied to the covenant. They could just gave us a new talent row, something we haven’t seen since wod…
Covid causes 5G. Change my mind.
Ironic coming from you.
Haven’t read through the thread, many may have similar comments.
OP, you’re arrogantly judging peple without having a freakin’ clue what you’re talking about.
First, they nerfed it.
Second, there were TONS of articles (including guides on wowhead) warning about stuff like signfical damage reduction/“penalty” if you chose the wrong covenant.
Those people may be “weirdos”, but given the info we had back then, these were understandable concerns. It’s riduculous to make fun of them now after the situation has changed, based on old stufff.
Well…
This was a ride
I love people like OP.
have you considered that the feedback and outcry of beta testers about the balance of the covenant abilities is the REASON you have not been asked about it, because Blizzard responded and reigned the covenants in.
But hey I guess those people in the eighteenhundreds should have just shut up about health and worksafety regulations in countries, we have them already so why did they even bother? Weirdos! 
for example in halls of atonement i would every time pick a venthyr. I depends on the dungeon. Night Fae for example isn’t that strong compared to other dungeons i think.
Covenants has big effects on ur Dps … if u pick wrong covenant it can lead up to a 60% dps loss even …
