Remove 2v2, Rated Solo Shuffle and Rated Battlegrounds and just have 3v3 / Rated Blitz

[Yojeong-kazzak]

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

Alythena?

Correct.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i mean understandable, thats why i wish we had a better lfg system, pikaboo made a good point

he said, Wow Arena is unique, and a really fun gamemode, but the only reason why it is dead is most likely because most of the people cant play it, even if they would do

to enter the barrier is just too big, besides of the huge amount of addons, u need players, which can play at the same time as you etc

i get the point, and sometimes i wish that blizz would force pvers to play pvp again for the "better items like Rings and necklace like in shadowlands ssn1

but i hope they have a idea to upgrade the lfg tool, or make maybe a extra mode that u can solo que into normal 3s with different rewards?

They need to make atleast 3s (outside rss) easier to get into yes. I like to watch ppl play 3s but I dont have the feel to hunt for ppl like I said b4 to play it.

And honestly, Id rather they dont force PvE players to play PvP just to put in a band-aid. Do you enjoy when you have to play PvE to get BiS items for PvP?

Highly doubt they will make more rewards or different rewards.
And making it a “solo que into normal 3s” will make me abhor 3s PvP in general since the only thing I see it is, is ppl who play 3s wants casuals to feed them rating.
Unless they make it so only solo que face solo que. It would just be a 1 round RSS then.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i mean i agree to a certain point, but it´s also easier, because it´s less cordinated, and u dont play 24/7 against a s tier meta comp (except) against a meta class like dh for some months

Sure, but if you as a person cannot adapt to it you wont climb either way. Theres way too many ppl who rather blame others than see what they could have done better themselves. People who dont bot are not machines, mistakes are bound to happen.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i think this is a “overall” problem in wow, this happens also in pve for many players otherwise you wouldn’t see so many fotm players

FOTM in PvE happens sure, its not fun but in general you dont rly get that much “rewards” for except gear and PvE tmog.
I raid because its somewhat fun, I do m+ because its somewhat fun. Gear progression is fun, atleast in PvE.
It still comes down to “how to make PvP fun for majority”. Adding even more rewards wont rly “fix” that part.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

thats why i play dragonflight most likely casuals, i would like to get the rewards, But the “not having fun” part is bigger, i just dont like how i have to play my class currently

Which is perfectly fine. You are not forced to play if you dont enjoy it even if it feels rly rly bad that you cant enjoy it. If I dont enjoy what I do, I just dont do it or wait until when it gets better.
I barely played BFA for example because I just didnt enjoy it as much, but also couz I didnt rly have friends who played at all then xd

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i dont have hopes either, they talked for 40 Secounds about Pvp, and it was only Bg´s just the casual mode in wow

Apparently Ion have said something more about PvP but I dunno, like I said, I dont hold any high hopes.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i give it a try too, i could play Boomy atleast there without getting flamed xd

i think the mmr will be crazy there too for 1 season atleast cuz of high participation

Yea, I honestly believe blitz will be fun for majority, even if it might feel bad when you loose.
But I honestly dont think blitz will have the same crazy MMR situation like RSS did, if you have tried blitz they already have MMR in it, its just not rated ^^
So I feel they are testing the grounds with it etc

[Faveyo-die-nachtwache]

@Yojeong-kazzak

Correct.

well rdruid in 2s was really easy, especially when u played ww monk rdruid or hunter rdruid

@Yojeong-kazzak

have to play PvE to get BiS items for PvP?

i mean i had to do this for years in the past, i dont mind if the pvers have to do it for 1 xpac atleast

@Yojeong-kazzak

Unless they make it so only solo que face solo que. It would just be a 1 round RSS then.

i rather bis over solo shuffle less que times, less rounds

@Yojeong-kazzak

Sure, but if you as a person cannot adapt to it you wont climb either way

if it comes to higher rating for sure, but to a certain rating, most likely zugzug and using “deff cds” not randomly are enough to get 2.1 with a zugzug class

@Yojeong-kazzak

FOTM in PvE happens sure, its not fun but in general you dont rly get that much “rewards” for except gear and PvE tmog.

i mean yes, but most of the players are trying to hunt high rio score, to “flex” and they couldnt get it with a offmeta spec, i know many pvers who are not that “cosmetic” driven but they do care about rio score

@Yojeong-kazzak

I barely played BFA for example because I just didnt enjoy it as much,

i played in bfa only season 1 and 4 most likely, because the 2 other seasons where the worst seasons i have ever played, u didnt missed much, dk´s with hp shield polearm

@Yojeong-kazzak

Apparently Ion have said something more about PvP

did he? maybe i miss something, i heard him only talking about bg´s but i can be wrong

@Yojeong-kazzak

if you have tried blitz they already have MMR in it, its just not rated ^^

i mean solo shuffle on the beta also had low mmr, because not everyone played it, i think the mmr will go crazy in the first season cuz so many players will play it, i think

[Yojeong-kazzak]

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

ll rdruid in 2s was really easy, especially when u played ww monk rdruid or hunter rdruid

He plays resto shaman in 2s to get the 2100 rating.
My point is, someone who literally plays thousands upon thousands of rounds in RSS but have a hard time getting any form of “real rating” there while easily achieving something in 2s can point towards 2s being more “free” than RSS.
So one reason why I said RSS seems to be more “free” is due to amount of players who plays it.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i mean i had to do this for years in the past, i dont mind if the pvers have to do it for 1 xpac atleast

Did you enjoy it? Would you want to do content you otherwise do not care about to get your bis?

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i rather bis over solo shuffle less que times, less rounds

Less que time sure, but quite sure you wont get more games “overall”.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

if it comes to higher rating for sure, but to a certain rating, most likely zugzug and using “deff cds” not randomly are enough to get 2.1 with a zugzug class

You can get that kind of rating in 2s, 3s and RSS what I know of.
In general when it comes to adapting means learning from every game or most of them. Not mindlessly just que up and go again without even bothering or understanding what you did wrong.
Self-reflection.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i mean yes, but most of the players are trying to hunt high rio score, to “flex” and they couldnt get it with a offmeta spec, i know many pvers who are not that “cosmetic” driven but they do care about rio score

And ppl “flex” with “rating” in PvP aswell.
So those who care more about rio score is the ones who try to climb as high as they can simply because they enjoy it and are driven to do it.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i played in bfa only season 1 and 4 most likely, because the 2 other seasons where the worst seasons i have ever played, u didnt missed much, dk´s with hp shield polearm

I came back at like BFA S4, didnt rly do anything PvP but I went into LFR as hpaladin. I had, with bad gear, 3-5 times the amount of healing of any other healer and it was the most broken ive ever played a hpala in PvE before next expansion release.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

did he? maybe i miss something, i heard him only talking about bg´s but i can be wrong

Someone on the forum said that Ion had said he knows PvP has been neglected and they are looking into it but, like I said, take it with a grain of salt…

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

i mean solo shuffle on the beta also had low mmr, because not everyone played it, i think the mmr will go crazy in the first season cuz so many players will play it, i think

Unless they have learned from RSS sure, but not likely. Would be hilarious if they failed hard a third time with 3 different brackets…

[Faveyo-die-nachtwache]

@Yojeong-kazzak

He plays resto shaman in 2s to get the 2100 rating.

was also giga easy in 2s especially with a dh

Solo shuffle as a Healer was close to impossible to get to 2k+ except u already have high arena xp

but i think to get 2,1 as a healer was easier in 2s and 3s than in solo shuffle cuz of the healer mmr

@Yojeong-kazzak

Did you enjoy it?

ofc not, but i also had to do pve Spark quest last season to get my spark

@Yojeong-kazzak

Less que time sure, but quite sure you wont get more games “overall

thats fine, its better to play than standing for 40 minute in the main city and doing nothing

@Yojeong-kazzak

You can get that kind of rating in 2s, 3s and RSS what I know of.

yeah but it´s harder as a dps because its more cordinated

@Yojeong-kazzak

because they enjoy it and are driven to do it.

some peoples dont do it because of enjoyment, they just do it to flex so they can think “they are good”

@Yojeong-kazzak

I came back at like BFA S4,

Hpala with the right corruption was broken

@Yojeong-kazzak

Someone on the forum said that Ion had said he knows PvP has been neglected and they are looking into it

atleast something, but they are releasing garbage pvp mounts in the same time

[Yojeong-kazzak]

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

was also giga easy in 2s especially with a dh

Solo shuffle as a Healer was close to impossible to get to 2k+ except u already have high arena xp

but i think to get 2,1 as a healer was easier in 2s and 3s than in solo shuffle cuz of the healer mmr

Sure, if that was the only thing he played.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

ofc not, but i also had to do pve Spark quest last season to get my spark

Oh you mean the last spark or something? Otherwise if you were late in the season you should get it through arenas no?
And you didnt enjoy it, but you would still want PvE players to do something they dont enjoy either? =p

In the end, PvP shouldnt need to play PvE and PvE shouldnt need to play PvP to get their BiS. I still feel the same thing in terms of legendaries.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

thats fine, its better to play than standing for 40 minute in the main city and doing nothing

But noone is telling you to do that though? You can do other things while waiting.
You can also if you dont like waiting, get your friends and play 2s/3s.
Its not like people are forced to wait, if they believe they have more important things to do they can always do something else or que up as healer. Ppl complaining about lack of healers while not even playing one is kinda meh.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

yeah but it´s harder as a dps because its more cordinated

Wat? That makes no sense.
In 2s and 3s you can decide on your own what type of players you want in your group. You can make a meta, s tier or a tier comp that suits your playstyle.
In RSS, sure, its uncoordinated based on random comps but at the same time, if you cannot adapt, try to understand whats happening you will have a hard time climbing.
Do you honestly believe its that hard to play a DPS? Feral if you dont know how to play the current playstyle sure, if you adapted to the current playstyle you would have had an easier time climbing. Its the same for majority.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

some peoples dont do it because of enjoyment, they just do it to flex so they can think “they are good”

If they didnt enjoy flexing why would they bother?
You can have the drive to get to the very top just to brag.
You can have the drive to get to the very top because you want to prove yourself.
Theres alot of reasons you can want to be at the top, but if they didnt enjoy doing it, they would just feel “forced” to do it and then there would rly be no point.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

Hpala with the right corruption was broken

Didnt even have the correct corruptions what I remember.

@Faveyo-die-nachtwache

atleast something, but they are releasing garbage pvp mounts in the same time

What some ppl feel is garbage can some ppl feel is good.
Do you think any of the mounts this expansion on m+ side has been “good”?
There are times there will be less “good” glad mounts.