Obliterate and Frost Strike got gutted with the removal of 2h in the first place and are now the reason it’s s***.
DW is to blame for everything, remove it.
Edit:
DW was originally added in a patch.
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Yeah I can do the same as a ret pala and do 1+ million dmg as well.
Frost dk is so scuffed.
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No. This is not DW problem. This is game design impotence.
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Blayser my man, direct your attention to BoS, and both DW fans and 2 hand fans can have heavy strikes again.
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removing 1 handed frost and breath is all i wish for to happen so we can have a propper spec again,
frost should have never gotten the 1 handed talent in the first place back in wrath this was the start of what broke 2 handed frost =/
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Exactly, those dw frost players can just go play rogue or ww monk.
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isnt that the same to tell people to reroll pala or arms?
Death Knight’s were designed around a single 2 handed rune weapon from the beginning, dual wield frost was just something extra for more class complexity.
There’s a reason there was no one handed weapon quest rewards in the DK starting area until BfA.
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actualy they werent, they were designed to be able to use all types of weapons, the old long list of runeforges reflected that, specialy razorice+cinderglacier combo which made the extra hit rating needed a small cost for the increase frost dmg with old (but gold) howling blast
no i am not taking away the right for them to play frost i am taking away the one thing that caused the entire frost spec to be the problem that it has been sins wod 1 handed ontop breath has created a degenerate playstyle that some 0,1% thinks are an IQ play but news flash unless they press that one button obliterate they are doing something wrong and for that they are bad that’s how bad currently 1 handed frost is from my view it pushes that degenerate play style on the pretending for the average player it’s a good spell but what happens is it makes you look like a fool channeling it when boss do mechanic that causes you to lose the channel because hes out of reach 1 among many things that make breath just bad by design and so on thanks to 1 hand frost trying to force that anti fun playstyle in to frost.
they call it a hard spell to maintain but all i se are stupidity when you misuse it but this happens so many times a spell like this aren’t built around the MMO format but somehow it’s stil here =/
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believe me, i share no love for breath as i have a long list of complaints with it.
but mentioning dks were meant to be 2H only is not true, when since wrath that DW frost has been the popular way to play frost, even if it derailed to focus on howling blast during cata to wod (and thus legion artifact)
this was also to the fact that 2H frost hasnt really been anywhere competitive since mid wrath foward
i did like the solutions for 2H scaling which has been a problem since wrath, saddly they overnerfed might of frozen wastes.
im all for 2H frost to be viable, but asking the removal of DW is just dumb
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Cuz it was the min/max build.
Dumb, just like when DW people asked for 2h to be removed so the spec could finally be balanced? Then we got BfA haha 
all those that asked stuff to be removed, pets from unholy, 2H from frost and dw from frost are all dumb ideas because they dont adress any issues or give solutions
you can perfectly have both DW/2H obliteration builds for frost gameplay, the problem was might of frozen wastes and pillar were nerfed way to much on the prepatch, impacting both weapon types
so yeah, asking to remove stuff because of the ilusion of a solution is very dumb
it wasnt, 2H was unviable, not min/max, borderline unplayable in raids. and was mostly used for questing as it did not scale at all past the first 3-4 weeks of an expantion
thus my happiness when i saw KM making OB deal frost dmg giving 2H obliterate the scale it needed… then they gone goofed and nerfed the key aspects of obliteration build
ok that’s wrong in wod 2 hand frost was defacto pvp go to and why it was not in pve boils down to mastery not scaling whit obliterate and not being a thing until now in shadowland took blizzard bloody hell long of a time to add it in,
also last i checked most if not all dk did not ask for 2 hand to be removed nor did we ask for our so called artifact cough cough frostmourne to be a smal foam sword on the pretense it was THE rune blade and lets not forget the excuses blizzard had i will let you in on that it was lazy on there part of it they just diden’t want to work for the money.
one thing we all agree on is that obliterate doing frost damage is a good thing and blizzard nerfing us was really bad on theirs part
it was karma enjoy your nerfs wannabe arthas’s unholy 4 lyfe the only true dk spec
hate to burst that bubble of yours but the one major problem specially from legion and bfa was obliterate not scaling whit mastery as it hurt the long term scaling of frost dk spec and before you go hurr on breath no last patch of bfa we opted out of it for ice cap build for strength scaling and whelp breath but the problem stil lasted for our core button not dealing frost damage,
look at this way for paladins if crusader strike had done magic damage but the templars verdict would not they would suffer the same issue like we have sins forever right now we are undertuned blame it on the kneejerk from blizzard 2 days before prepatch its a simple case of they dont do their job and tune up undeperforming specs breath? i use obliteration as a 2 hander breath is worst dps for me and even if i were forced to duel wield it doesen’t change that as A you maintain it for 2 min or B you dont and do trash dps for the next 1 min
I personally think giving 2h 2 runes to play with instead of one which would make sense fallen and raxorice together foir a 2h would 3 or 4k more, the state of frost dk in pvp is shocking, Ret pallys can do 12k damage in a matter of seconds then there’s a Frost dk bursting at barely 6k crit with oblitirate, it needs serious buffing every class atm is outshining frost dk by a mile
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Unholy is abit late on the nerfs ngl so Enjopy it while it lasts 