Blizzard must see the following
- 2v2 and 3v3 being queuing far less and LFG being hugely effected
- The amount of players getting reported and and toxicity of the game drastically increased
- The randomness of lobbies making triple melee and triple caster just makes the game feel miserable
- The amount of Micro CC, PVE Burst, Mobility and sheer difference in spec strength makes PVP feels miserable in a rated, random, no comms / directional game play
- The MMR system deterring healers and making the game feel miserable when losing rating or worse, winning and not gaining rating
- The huge que times not making the game feel time efficient
I truly believe for the health of PVP that rated Solo Shuffle needs removing and just replaced with Rated Solo Battlegrounds…
Additionally I would argue that Solo Shuffle be added as a none rated, none MMR game mode.
I would also argue rated 2v2 should also be removed from the rated seen and skirmish conquest gain should be comparable to rated 2v2…
This would mean the only rated PVP events would be
Rated Battlegrounds
Solo Rated Battlegrounds
3v3
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I havent tried it yet, but was thinking of doing solo shuffle. As a solo player this might be a thing for me. I play mostly random bg, because that was the opportunity i had as solo player, but i get no rating. I do not know how this solo shuffle works, but if i get rating from it, and can do it solo, im glad there is such an opportunity. Why i am a solo player? Well, i think many is because its hard as hell to find a pvp guild accepting newcomers in their group, if you havent been accepted in a group before and have a score. Also, many pvp players are toxic narsissistic as hell, …the reason to just give a … about trying to join a group. Playing solo, its just better i think. But i wish Blizzard did more to pvp, more earnings, achiev, and so on.
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That’s not the only thing.
DPS are throwing the games far too often. Like just now I played a game where the only one interrupting was a retri. He was also the only one CCing, he was the only one that used defensive CDs of the DPS as well.
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I wonder if one day you’ll learn the difference between people that actually throw and people that play badly because…well…because they’re bad?
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I honestly am not a fan of even 3v3
Even in Solo Shuffle 3v3, it’s less of a battle and more a fight of “who psyches out the other healer best”
Because you only really win if you CC them in a way that leaves them " 
" if you’re trying to end the torture, otherwise you’re stuck there until they run out of mana or the other one is psyched out instead.
And you’re all conditioned for this, so you don’t see how jarring it really is.
It’d be like if you were playing TF2, and the Medic is downright unkillable, able to hold team mates up in a perpetual Uber state right out the gate, and you needed 5 people on the map to focus to take down the Medic.
And that’s the matches.
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That would be a disaster. You can’t force people into premade 3v3. The fact that everybody stopped playing it the moment there was an alternative tells you everything you need to know.
Either fix solo shuffle or do flex 3v3 solo q arena.
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How can you argue to remove 2s but at the same time keep rated BGs? You can’t argue split playerbase as above 1600 rating waiting time is 40m and above 2000 at least an hour if you need a specific spec at that rating.
If you mean Shuffle that isn’t true.
Most queues above 2k vary greatly between 15 and 35 minutes and will rarely exceed 40.
Half of my shuffle queues have been around 15 min or even often almost instant at around 2k this week and last week.
Removing a game mode instead of enhancing it would not improve but hurt PVP. You may be shocked but there are people demanding casual and rated pvp at the same time.
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Yep remove the m+ version of the game idm rbg shuffle and give them the rewards non cares and let ppl ppay normal 3vs3 again
im with you with this solo shuffle is one of THE worst pvp mode in the entire gaming industry xD. i would rather eat poop than continue with this failed gamemode. castrated version ov 3v3 or 2v2.
i think i havent played a worse pvp game than wow solo shuffle. but i think arena in general is not working really well in wow. the game is not balanced around this its balanced for 20m mythic raiding. rated bg would make more sense but blitz is a cheap version of that.
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Removing 2s and keeping 3s as you suggested is not a good move. It will be bad for some classes for example hunter that just flops the moment 2 DPS touches them.
2v2 is also a good way to learn a new spec since 2s is more chill and not chaotic like 3s
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Nothing will get removed, people already farmed their achievements and they will outlash if they are no longer meaningful.
The only game mode which was removed was 5v5, and that’s because it was dying. By the same logic if anything, they would remove Rated BG’s (because let’s be honest they’re more dead than anything else in the game, it’s literally like a bunch of cap groups + 4-5 booster teams every week).
Shuffle is massively popular for people to pretend they are better than they actually are and it’s the closest thing to PvE in terms of Rated PvP arena. From 0 to 2400 rating Shuffle is nearly entire PvE dps and PvE healing, it’s completely chaotic and you will almost never see people chaining CC off eachother to get a win together, if anything the opposite happens such as people randomly breaking it for others. The rest of the popularity is based off providing a way for people who dislike making friends, communicating, or are simply too bad to play a coordinated version of PvP. Every single game outside of the highest 200-300 ratings is basically a paranoia simulator if someone will press CDs like a normal player.
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Just Buff mmr gain make it like season one let ppl earn rewards who the f cares if it is infalted i remember in mop in rbg ladder everybody was 5k rated and because of the wintraders who cares now
Whatever happens guys, I hope we will get the memo in advance so that I know when to push hard for my tmog from Solo Shuffle.
dont think people will sit in que’s just to play 1 game, lose and then join lfg again. Removing shuffle would just reduce pvp even more.
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for me its the opposite, i play arena lfg or with friends and ss only between the times im not get to play arenas. blizz worst mistake were to separate arena/ss playerbase as their system is built on participation which is now divided into 2 modes when it were not that big ever on first place to maintain this type of system consistently.
i wont sit in ques just to play ss, 30min wait to be trolled by some weird comp or people that lack the knowledge even for basic level gameplay related pvp is not exactly what is fun for me. if you play soloq on priva or other games people know atleast basics of game there and you wont get a sv in your team who uses camo and sits 1min behind pillar for example. also they dont divide playerbase as their soloq goes same pool with arena so contribution of playerbase stay in same place.
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Too many people leave, the time you spend waiting vs the outcome of most matches is very unsatisfactory and in alot of scenarios theres very little you can do in some cases to change that due to balancing of the game being nonexistent and just the skill level of some players being carried by class.