It has been discussed because it’s annoying. The behavior of leavers and their mentalities should not be accepted or tolerated because it’s more harmful and doesn’t really contribute to the progress of players (Especially casual and new players)
A few days ago, I was part of a low-key run to do lower kara (and to practice it too) but the healer left as soon as we wiped on a boss. How will we learn the mechanics when behavior like this gates the content?

Let’s compare to league:
- League is more fun than m+
Lmao, no way. League is the worst out of the mobas I’ve played.
You have no clue about mobas anyway. You play wow 90% of your time. The rest is in wow forums, or sleep
You keep focusing at the wrong stuff dude. So in much less runs than you I found more toxic people than you. Looks like you still couldn’t understand i was focusing on the toxicity which i have taken from the sample i did. In all my runs i ignored 37 people. The whole thread is based to reduce toxicity in m+ pugging. That is why I am for the removal of key downgrading and the return of if a not timed 15 run is finished giving the group with full item level reward as a timed one.
Oh yeah?
I played the hell out of heroes of newerth and league is horrible. Can’t even deny towers or creeps.

So in much less runs than you I found more toxic people than you.
First you say that I have too small sample size and now you’re changing the argument when I have double your runs this season alone? Like, can you stop?

I played the hell out of heroes of newerth and league is horrible
Oh your one of those…
I still subscribe to a finished key at least, Shouldn’t be downgraded.
Things will still suck of course. People will still leave keys and make them untimed.
But in this OP’s case a group who endured and suffered trough a wipe fest pug or disconecting players won’t be punished for it.
Thier key wont be upgraded. but not downgraded either.

First you say that I have too small sample size and now you’re changing the argument when I have double your runs this season alone? Like, can you stop?
Do you have eyes? Because I do. Do you think i didn’t check what you posted? Because I did. Did you see the change in my wording in my last post? The way i worded it is clear to everyone i acknowledged you have more runs than Idid. Do I have to spell it to you??? Will we keep disscussing it? Do you know what a circular reference is? You are doing just that.
What you’re doing is moving the goalposts.
Looks like I just have to block you I am done with ignorance

I am done with ignorance
Lmao.
If in your 200 or 46 runs or whichever one of those you want to go with you’re ignoring 37 people because they’re “toxic”, I very strongly suspect that you’re the cause of their behaviour. Especially considering your whole “I HAS DONE 200 RUNS LAST SEASON AND 46 THIS” charade.
I have a total of 37 players on my most played characters ignore list and most of those were ignored long before SL even had been announced. And you somehow find 37 players to ignore last season or this season? I just don’t believe that you’re not the cause of the “toxicity” you’ve encountered given this.
Ah okey… Gatekeeping with how sweaty you are now, Thats cool.
Look we would all love to sweat and not shower play mythic+ as much as you do.
But with this gatekeeping you guys are making it really difficult to even get a foot inside the door.
If your such a fan of organized groups and all that then by all means stick to that, And don’t pug with people with a key level of a player below your sweaty rating.
The game isn’t getting downgraded just because keys aren’t getting downgraded anymore. Considering you need to complete keys in the first place to get your sweat rating.
It’s pretty much only people who aren’t consistent enough to get their key to the level they want to that have a problem with downgrading.
Consistent? Yeah no excuse me if i’m not consistent enough to play the Premade finder declined game for 45 minutes everytime I want to do a m+ or play the game. But lets pretend that isn’t a thing.
I can apply to groups I want to at 20 and below and be invited within a few minutes, if not even instantly in a lot of cases. Certainly won’t be waiting 45 minutes. Run your own key if you find that you’re waiting longer than you want to.

Maybe they shoudl go further and lock accesibility to your score. For example your score is 1k ? You literaly woudont be able to join / create more then +10 .
I like that idea but it will mess with boosting and i don’t think they want that.
Yes cause you have propably a high rating and get easily invited.
But people with lower keys attract less people and lower rating and completes less.
Downgrading keys doesn’t make this situastion any easier. If you missed the first week of the patch and everyone is rolling around in 20+ by now.

Yes cause you have propably a high rating and get easily invited.
Do you think my rating just magically appeared out of nowhere? I didn’t wait more than a few minutes before I was at the rating I’m at now either.
Like, the first thing I did when I logged in at the start of the season was apply to a +15 gambit and I got invited pretty much instantly. No score at all for this season at that point.

Like, the first thing I did when I logged in at the start of the season was apply to a +15 gambit and I got invited pretty much instantly. No score at all for this season.
try and do that now. Pretend your late to the game, And see how fast you get a 15+ invite now with the same Ilvl you had at patch launch and rating. These are the people i have in my mind.
Downgradable keys just makes catching up to you take longer and longer as the rest of you raise above in the ilvls and rating compared to release of a patch levels.
Not having keys downgrade if finished at least, Would help this out allot.

try and do that now. P
Went on my paladin.
I got an invite to the first key I applied to, before I had time to apply to another.
And then everyone saluted and bowed to you as you entered the dungeon gate.
Look i don’t care if this didn’t happend to your Paladin. That doesn’t mean people dont experience this