There’s a lot more undead in Azeroth than the Forsaken. In the other thread we had the example of a repentant Man’ari hunting undead in Duskwood, which would be the best example of a repentant Man’ari being RPed.
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I suppose a man’ari could conceivably pass as a Warlock’s demon minion; I imagine the demonologist in question would be open to such an arrangement in return for knowledge or the eredar genuinely being their assistant in battle. Of course it still restricts where and when they could potentially walk around unharmed.
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I still say, be a Red Eredar, sneak in Stormwind and ran to the closest… mage or anyone, hugging her “MASTER!!! You summoned me, I came! Who do we kill today?” and get the fel out there, while the mob tear it apart
But as a Repentant Eredar? I guess hoodies and capes and robes or illusion to hide your skin, tone down the fel-infused armour and weapons and basically just be a mercenary or bounty hunter who helps anywhere that is not Stormwind or a mayor city
Azeroth not really have any big cities left, most of them are war torn and warweary settlements now and some helps always welcomed 
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Ideally, your character would be far away from any sort of civilisation, deep in the territory of threats that still oppose the Alliance and the Horde, where they would spend most of their time culling these threats in order to create a better world.
The same place where any “properly roleplayed” death knights, void elves, demon hunters, dark rangers and other such outcasts are supposed to be.
But unless you find a guild that welcomes and supports such behaviour, most of your “roleplaying” is going to consist of spending hours in the wilderness on your lonesome, hoping that other roleplayers will eventually stumble across you and actually be willing to engage with you.
So telling someone to “properly roleplay” these classes and races by sodding off into the derelict corners of the setting where they won’t bother anyone is tantamount to asking them not to roleplay at all, unless someone is willing to list communities and guilds that would accept these repentant outcasts and give them the opportunity to actually roleplay their penitent activities with other people.
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Having done this a lot on my Dark Ranger, I can say with certainty that it’s only fun for one or two engagements, as well.
Very, very rarely will you find any wanderers whose first instinct is not immediate murder, who proceed to walk away when they realise that probably isn’t going to happen. Engagements are rarely deeper than that and get stale really fast.
The best roleplay I’ve encountered playing one of these “not allowed in the cities, you’re an outcast forever” concepts is to hop into a large server campaign whenever they happen and pray people give you the time of day.
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Something that complicates this a bit is how they’ve been really silent about the degree in which demons are accepted to be summoned in public in most places. Most we know is that most capital cities’ reaction will be one of alarm and instant kill on sight for the demon, and perhaps even the warlock; but then we have things like how the Warlock questline of 10.1.7 had a carriage of dreadsteeds and a few imps just hanging around in the middle of Stormwind Park.
Then, on top of that, we have the idea that demons might be allowed in certain border towns and such, like how the Crossroads has a warlock with their imp out just casually talking with another orc right in the middle of the settlement, but there is no actual lore written down about this.
It’s inconsistent at best, so even if in theory it wouldn’t be as hard to pull off, in practice, it might be a little bit harder due to people using the logic about Orgrimmar and Stormwind to basically everywhere else, and for much smaller demons, too.
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In an ideal world then, there should be a community for all of these characters that are told to stay out of cities and spend their days fighting enemies of Azeroth in faraway places.
Without such a community, entire character concepts like dark rangers, demon hunters, death knights, void elves and now repentant eredar are condemned as being effectively unroleplayable on this server outside of niche scenarios.
I just hope that people realise that when they tell others to roleplay these characters far away from civilised places and in the dark corners of the world, they’re basically asking them to not roleplay these characters unless they can point out a suitable community that can cater to them in said dark corners of the world.
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That’s just how it is, isn’t it? Some concepts are simply not readily viable, if you intend to have any amount of authenticity. Though I’d say putting eredar on the same level as demon hunters, death knights etc in this regard is doing the latter few dirty. It’s far easier to excuse their presence in a city than it is a man’ari’s.
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I’m afraid ppl will metagame for the sake of killing a demon. I have seen many posts here on forums about how it would be impossible for a demon to sneak in SW, that Fel have a distinct smell, Illidari with spectral sight etc etc, despite a battalion of Wrathguards (mutated Man’ari Eredar) sneaked into the SW castle, a dreadlord was in charge of SI:7 even after Illidari where accepted and back in TBC an Eredar was sneaking around in Exodar, in a city of a race who have the biggest expierences with demons of all of them and had studied them for millenia. And Illidari surely doesn’t wander around casualy with spectral sight on. I would also belive that average SW citizen and guard had seen like max 4 Draenei in their lives and seeing one with a red skin could be excused to them as some skin disease. But ppl some ppl will use anything dumb excuse to find out even the most cleverly hidden demon.
Wrathguard is Man’ari Eredar, ofc it means no city, but hey it’s a warlock, can summon her after he finishes bussines in the city or passes it.
My character currently wears grey hoodie and cape and black and white armor, only sword is green but just in colour, not like infused with Fel. She looks like edgy Draenei in it. But ppl will metagame and be like “i SeE tRoUgH yOuR dIsGuIsE, dEmOn!”
That’s what this post is about, I know what I want to RP and I’m aware of the restrictions coming with. I’m asking for these communities, guilds and ppl who would be willing to engage with my character in other ways than just killing.
Maybe Crossroads might tolerate imp, But Eredar are one of the most dangerous kind of demons, an entire unit of Wrathguards (who are Eredar) inflitrated SW castle and threatened the king, they are intelectually on the same lvl as mortals if not more as Draenei are of the most if not the most intelligent races in the setting and that’s why Sargeras choosed them, yes, we can agree that being turned into demon will somewhat reduce your intellect but not that much I guess and if it was hight already you might not even notice a difference. So no, I would say that Eredar wouldn’t be tolerated absolutely anywhere.
I RP a DK, I found a DK guild and doing a DK things in a DK guild, ez. I’m basically just asking for the same here. I understand it’s a new thing and many might hate the concept due to misundersting and thinking demons are fine now or are discourgared by the bad RPers who are open demons in cities.
Yup, this is the point of this thread, I’m asking for community.
All of those races and classes have had to deal with that treatment at some point in the past. It’s eased off over time and there are even been some guilds and communities that exist to enable RP for those outcasts, but they are absolutely victims of the “if you roleplay this type of character in a civilised place you’re doing it wrong” attitude.
I can also accept that some character concepts are not viable - but when Blizzard provides easily accessed customisation options that allows players to play that concept, only for the community to declare the roleplaying of that concept verboten, that’s a sign of a massive disconnection between the setting as designed by Blizzard and the setting as played by roleplayers.
At this point in time, it doesn’t look like there is one - or that there will be one, considering that most eredar roleplayers seem to be more interested in playing Legion loyalist man’ari. If you’re willing to accept the mantle of responsibility, you might have to bite the bullet and create a community or a guild yourself.
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I disagree here, gameplay world and lore world has been different for some time. Blizzard haven’t said anything about Man’ari joining the Alliance like Void elves or allying with it like Ebon Blade and Illidari. People are right if they are dismissing them from cities.
Ye, seems to me unfortunately.
Since I have started with RP at May and haven’t done any event on my own yet, I don’t think I’m ready, nor expierenced enough to do it, not to mention that it is pointless to sit alone in a guild as there is basically almost none RPing this concept.
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Then you may need to accept that the character concept of the penitent eredar is not a viable character concept on this server, despite the fact that penitent eredar are the reason for these customisation options in the first place.
Like Malunara suggested, you may need to shelve any penitent eredar character you’ve made until an appropriate community is made or a suitable public event occurs - and then pray that your character isn’t killed on sight anyway.
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To RP a concept with some hope of viability, it needs to have some lore backing it up. And while we now do indeed have repentant Eredar, we still don’t have the means to have them run around cities.
“You can make it” alone does not mean it’s a viable RP concept. Customisation options are not automatically lore-friendly.
I’m not talking about repentant Eredar in and of itself, I’m still talking about them being in cities.
If there will be a community for that niche that enables good RP, hell, why not.
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I can only echo Sullaana and Echellos on this, the availability of a customization option doesn’t really mean anything in and of itself. Without lore backing beyond: one single, fully covered, hidden away in the bottom of a mine of third-rate citizens eredar in the exodar, there’s absolutely no cause to believe an eredar would be tolerated even momentarily in the open, let alone in any other city.
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That’s a given, this entire thread has been operating on the assumption that eredar aren’t welcome in cities and has been focused on the character concept of penitent eredar, which is what these customisation options are supposed to represent, according to the lore that we’ve been given.
But despite the fact that the community has been pushing for people to roleplay outside of Stormwind City and the claims that city-based hub roleplay isn’t the be-all and end-all of roleplay, there doesn’t seem to be any sufficient community outside of cities that would allow penitent eredar to be roleplayed with any regularity at all.
I am not arguing that eredar should be allowed in cities whatsoever. That’s off-topic and something already covered by another thread.
The simple point that I am making is that without an adequate community that exists anywhere (including outside of cities) that would allow people to roleplay penitent eredar with any regularity, the character concept that Blizzard has made playable with this quest and with these customisation options is unviable on this server. They basically cannot be played in the way that Blizzard intended them to be played.
Though I’m happy to be proven wrong, if you’re able to point out a community, a guild or a hub that would allow people to play penitent eredar with any regularity, so that they wouldn’t have to wile away the hours in the wilderness hoping for a random encounter, or wait for the rare public event that might tolerate the character concept.
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I mean, you say that, yet my character is yet to be pinned as a demon. You can be the most observant Illidari grand inquisitor across the Warcraft multiverse, you still won’t be able if someone’s a demon or Draenei if the player doesn’t give a clear indicator for it in their TRP profile.
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I will think about this, thanks.
Also yes, this is also what I imagined as idea, working with some “good” warlock coven or the Illidari who have their demons. She would get to do her penance and some supplies of magic to satiate herself and the other side would get a battlehardened warrior with millenia of expierence and prolly some juicy knowledge.
As for now I will be waiting and looking fore someone. Thanks.
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I don’t think I’d personally manage this because I’m a bit too flakey on regularly roleplaying with the same people over any period of time, but I still want to throw out the idea here because even if I don’t do it, I think it could be great if somebody did.
I think the idea of a draenei taking on the role of a warden or similar for a man’ari could lead to some legitimately great roleplay. A character that allows another character a path to redemption, but if anything goes wrong it falls partially on the draenei for having not killed the man’ari outright.
Maybe it wouldn’t be in-character for a draenei to offer themselves for such a role, but I can imagine if the man’ari in question was perhaps once a friend, or a relative, or even if it just inspires a certain bit of sympathy that it could be a really fun take.
it also gets rid of the NPC/new character problem that I think some man’ari characters are having. It’s easy to kill off an NPC or a new character straight away, but if you have a pre-existing character tied to that man’ari then the consequences of failure could actually be somewhat long-lasting.
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This is great idea imo and I think it could be fun.
Don’t worry about this much, we know what Draenei generally think about man’ari but that doesn’t mean every single one of them is the same. Just acknowledge the conflict, like the Draenei has been exiled due to such taughts and efforts, and you are fine.
There is a player called Ara that has expressed interest in helping the Man’ari to find some manner of a redemption journey. It could be worth getting in touch to see if your Eredar can be a part of their guild. I myself am playing a repentant as I find the idea of doing good despite one’s past mistakes and very own nature to be interesting and nuanced.
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