Your shaman is level 25.
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Horde players right now acting like shamans havenât been tearing up alliance for 3 whole phases,
Now you know what itâs like to fight against high utility,
Now you know what itâs like to fight against high dmg / burst,
Now you know what itâs like to fight against high survivability,
Although paladins dont have anywhere near the amount of self-healing that shamans do,
And in terms of actual " toolkit " shamans still takes the cake, so all in all, shamans are still better than paladins,
Im telling you now, if youâre a horde player, and youâre crying about paladins, after alliance have suffered for 3 phases, then you to check yourself,
Horde, with shamans in pvp have had it on EASY mode, so its about time alliance has a class that can tear you up back.
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Im down for both classes getting nerfed to the ground. Both are absurd right now. Paladins and shamans can both go kick grass. 
Hunters need more nerf! U need to not have free traps not consuming mana is just not realistic. I vote that Blizzard nerf Resourcefulness rune it was mistake why u got that rune with -100% mana usage and 40% cd reduction is stupid how it sounds so dont worry to much about paladins when u r completely broken.
Paladins got Sprint, a pet that follow even if you go into stealth and attacks you out of stealth. If you wanna get rid of the pet, sap paladin to nuke pet, but no. He got blessing of sacrifice on the sucker so as soon you hit, paladin is back. If hes noob enough to not use it, he just bubble, 2-3button , hammer of justice, spam some hammer of wrath for 1k. from a wheelchair class into a completely retarded class. I could 1v1 anyone as paladin playing with my eyes closed listening with sound only and using my pinky toe to press the 3 buttons needed. blizzard stop listening to this WAVE guy and his 75alts, seems the guy live on these forums crying and crying for months. What if you at blizzard actually play the game and see what the hell is going on here instead of listening to these trolls. If you wanna world pvp you see 1 of any class, and a paladin beside NOT worth it. he just ubble and BoP his friend and you get nuked in 2 seconds in Hoj. Joke of a game this has become due Paladins. âWe got no mobility, long cooldownâ give everyone lay on hands, bubble and a pet to make it even. Then people can log in once every 5minute or hour to blast anything then logoff feel good for the day.
Paladins âdrawbacksâ
*Never go oom
*Exo spam
*ooh 60second cooldown after a complete immunity
*5min âhardâ cooldown dependent, rest is 0 cooldown. except Lay on hands.
*Dont need self heals with bubble.
Iâm actually laughing.
What? You joking right? Even with Guarded by the Light you go oom in PvP, and healing is literally halved. No other class has this kind of downside.
Has been nerfed into the ground.
Someone doesnât know the CDs of Paladins and is yapping.
Pony = 45s
Freedom = 20s
BoP = 5mins
10y Stun = 1min
20y Rependance = 1min
Yes they do, and they are pathetic to use when shamans spam riptide for 600+.
U know u can dispell flame shock right? 
without it ele does no dmg.
and self heals? u get an 600 absorb shield every few seconds and u can stun for 5 seconds so u can heal and if they trinket rep and again heal to full.
Pala is strong, as healer and as dps. rogues on the other hand are super broken nerf rogues burst in pvp.
Just for it to reappear 6s later, and even without the DoT, the initial application does quite a bit. This will drain your mana.
Selfheals that heal for 400 on a hardcast, and a shield that absorbs 200?
Provided the shaman doesnât purge it off you.
You ainât accounting for stun resists into a trinket, then you canât heal. Also itâs 6s. Meanwhile a shaman can run and heal, someone might call this fair, actually nobody does, especially when itâs not even a mana problem unlike paladins.
Double nope, but okay you havenât played it yet and believe shamans are a âbalancedâ class, just like the rest of the delusional horde players.
they are strong dont get me wrong but i say paladins are equally strong.
For example shamans are easy pick for a warlock, paladins are not. and the bubble is a big fkn problem but u dont see me crying about for nerfs.
Also the shield spell taht slows having 100% to proc the fear trinket is kinda busted.
i cant shake off a paladin.
Iâm gonna have to disagree here. Even dispelling you take a lot of damage. It helps not being 100% crit, but they still deal damage. And with riptide, they have an incredible advantage on longer fights.
Sacred shield is around 250 and is gonna be dispelled anyway. New heal top us to full in one cast but cost nearly 1k mana so it has its drawback since dispelling also end up emptying our mana bar quite quickly. Iâd say shamans overall counter paladins, so itâs fine if donât necessarily come on top against them, but the riptide makes it too one sided. For such a class, with the very decent toolkit that they already have, having riptide for enhance and elem is too much. Itâs like giving ret and prot pala holy shock on a 6 seconds cd.
Yeah I agree, we are on a good spot atm. Being so sensitive to offensive dispell is frustrating but overall Iâm not complaining about P4.
As shamans?
DPS = Shamans, Paladins gotta close the gap first, easier said than done.
Healing/Sustain = Shamans, Paladins stuff can be purged and is mana intensive.
CC = Shamans, simply more to use and more often.
Sorry what?
Its crazy that u guys crying about shaman( i am not playing shaman) while hunters and rogues roam kicking a** like crazy. even frost mages imo its just rare to see a good one.
Dude you should get off the forums for realâŠthink about ur health or smth.
THis game is more classic than retail. All classes have their adv and disafv .
YOU might lose to shaman but 100% there is a class that shaman loses to but you dont.
This is how this game is made. Shaman is not invinscible to every class. its rock paper scissor .When are u going to put this to ur brain?
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Then cast it again.make him waste gcds and mana.
Well, when it comes to hunter I just need to get into melee range and heâs dead. Thereâs nothing he can do. So unless heâs a good player and can outsmart me into using my CD and still maintaining distance, heâs just dead meat. And in that I find a certain balance. The guy can delete me from afar, but once in melee range I can delete him in a few seconds.
Rogues delete pretty much anyone in 1v1, but in grp fight they get instantly stomped. I see a form of balance here too. Mages, honestly they are non existent in pvp. They can do a lot in group fights, but just looking at them sideways is enough to pulverize their HP bar.
Shaman elem though, not only excels in teamfights, but it can also best me, a melee, in melee range. Thatâs where I sense an imbalance.
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I canât though. My priority is to dispell his flame shock. His prio is to cast lava on flame shock. If I use my GCD on casting sacred shield, I donât dispell. Even if he was dispelling everytime I cast sacred shield, Iâm a melee, heâs a caster so his mana bar is much more resilient than mine and the instant damage from his flame shocks are enough to gnaw at me.
And why would he care about a 250 shield when he can cast a 1k5 lava with potential overload proc ?
In this match-up, I have to put the pressure because if I start spam dispell/sacred shield, Iâm already dead. But riptide allows him a bit too much room to breathe to really feel the heat when Iâm on the offensive.
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Galar, just give up arguing with this dude, he canât be swayed LMAO.
Dude you are making it look like flame shock has no cd
looks like you ppl dont want to struggle just use 1 button and win⊠nvm me i am out.
I said something two responds above and you didnt read it.
Not all classes can beat all. maybe rogue can but every1 else has its up and downs.
Face it. you might lose to shaman but as you said u beat hunters easily.
What should hunters say? nerf paladins and buff hunters?
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Iâll quote myself back here just in case.
Iâm simply trying to explain to you how the match-up goes as you obviously donât play shaman or paladin. Iâm not whining nor anything, just shading some light on what I thought was a genuine interrogation from your part.
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