I am an old gamer, been her from the start but hardly ever post.
What would you think of two ways of logging in to Retail?
One competitive and one for fun chill playing?
The Elitist could do io challenging play. The chill part could play for fun.
I do read some posts but not all. Someone may already been on this topic, sorry if i repeat in that case.
I play solo now but would do more raids and dungeons if it wasnt for the rush and toxic comments I see when participating. Sometimes I do it anyway because I need it.
I want WoW to be fun, a place to go to have fun even if Im not the fastest.
And I do love the game I played since the start tho it had its up and downs with evil CEOs and stuff.
Im a grandmother now and trying to show my grandchildren the fun of this game and then have to explain about the toxic comments and why they will be left behind in the raid or kicked out if not the best feels bad.
Please make this game fun again for us that are not that competitive.
I have no idea how a company would manage to split a game like this but then we do see splits into different worlds all the time.
Dear .you can already do that .in delves for example I write chill casual group and when forming raid groups I do the same . My advice would be to make your own groups instead of joining already formed .
And if you are doing queue only content . If you like playing with somebody add them as friend .again you will have a pool of like minded players .
Don’t worry, wow is nothing compared to what they will see in some other new games.
Problem is that this will remove the pathway of a casual player learning about the end game and choosing to push more, which is arguably the biggest strenght of wow as a game.
It is arguably not possible tosplit the game into “two servers” where one is casual game, and the other is the hardcore game, mainly because the whole ecosystem needs both casuals and hardcores.
Casuals are in there to provide the biggest mass for the game, the guys that play just for fun and make the world bigger on patches and so on. The hardcore are the ones that provide depth to the game and show that there is always something to do in it. If you split those 2 groups it will do way more harm than good.
Thank you sweetie (grandmother is the highest achievement you can reach!)
Yes Ive learned the ways of going through it but the social part of the game is really hurting because you have to make your own groups. You dont know how to handle it and many people gaming have anxiety issues. I used to be a guildleader of a big guild back in the days and people are afraid of making requests and forming parties. To be in an environment that is forgiving would help a lot of people. That environment is no where to be found atm if you dont have friends to invite you. I want Blizzard to create that environment! It wouldnt be that hard.
Are you really sure about this? I see youre clever and I understand your point but I think a level where you feel much more confident at one point and join the Elitist environment is your choice. You feel up to it and ready to handle it. I would think a lot of the Elitists would join the Chill server at points just to have fun relaxed playing and… get friends
this sentence remind me something very old.
let me tell you a short story.
do you remember the sewers under the old dalaran above the crystalsong forest?
i mean the part that you could see the jungle under your feet not the inside underground.
i had a friend that he was not good at the game or atleast not on my level .
we were used to go there and sit on the edge of the hole in the wall that ends the dalaran sewers above the jungle and talking about everything, one day i asked him why dont you try to be better at the game , he didnt say anything for few seconds and then he said because i dont enjoy the game if im not playing it with you / skill is not important for me.
we both went silence for a minute, now after god knows how many years im playing solo most of the time and i understand him now. having fun with your friends even the noob ones
From my experience playing the game for like 20 years, most of the friends i made were not in casual content.
But also just to make this clear, this is not a toggle that you can switch in the char select screen and log in the hardcore or the casual side like it is with warmode. I am talking about 2 different game clients with different games.
Even if you change the name of a game mode to casual but leave in all the end game stuff, nothing will change, since the reason people tryhard is to achieve the hardest challenges.
In that scenario I fail to see how a casual server would keep itself running, since in order to keep it “casual” you would have to remove all kind of hard content.
Hey, there are currently more elites than ever before because many people are achieving seasonal elites via various new modes as shuffles and battleground blitz. I’m not too far from becoming seasonal elitist myself either.
That hit me right in the heart. Sitting in Darnassus at the edge of the old tree and talking about stuff, looking at the stars. Killing the mobs that respawned and sit down and talk again. You know what Im talking about <3
100%
most of the things that we were doing are forgotten now..
this new generation of wow all are in discords and this kind of things / almost no one uses ingame chat anymore only a few %
wow these days is just about M+ and raids and these kind of things,
Skip everything with dragon raiding with 15000 % movement speed do the objective and get the rewards and go offline. thats wow in 2026
Everyone is chill while the content he is doing is easy. If I go do a +10 key I am happy that someone else is doing almost no damage, cause the mobs live more time for me to damage them.
On the other hand what creates friction is challenge and expectations. When you try to do challenging content, and someone else fails, this is where friction comes from.
There are no chill/elitist people, just people that do different kind of contents, have different expectations, and have different moods. One day you will get one person being the most chill dude ever, and the next he will be leaving your group and saying that he never wants to paly with you. Everything has to do with factors.
I completley agree with you except one point. The people spitting and kicking people out of content is not chill. They go into an environment of elitists and think they’re the gift to humanity and noone is as good as they are. They behave and treat other humans (yes,the players are humans) like trash and not every human treat people like that. Thats how they see others and that doesnt change if they’re in chill or elitist modes. Its just thriving in elitist mode.
What you are describing is not players but behaviors. “Elitist”, “tryhard”, “chill”, is a behavior that every player will show at some point, but does not remain constant for all his playtime.
The only difference between players is the amount of investment in the game. For the more casuals it is just a game, they play as long as they feel comfortable and will just stop when it asks too much from them. On the other hand, more hardcore players tend to see the game as a challenge, and are willing to do chores or things they do not like in order to progress.
I think what you describe is seeing the tryhard behaviors of other players and conflating with them being hardcore all the time. If you go into legion remix, there is almost no tryhards outside of m+, just because there is no difficulty in the content.
Thats exactly what Im talking about. If I want to be a tryhard. let me. If I want to me a Chill. let me. I should be able to choose. You pinpointed it.
you can totaly chill like up to 12 keys and hc raids with guilds.
the problem which most people have is that they want to instanly jump into 3k groups which farm 12s for GV or full ch raid clear with their garbage geared alts number 5 or 10 - and then make surprise pikachu face when " but im 3k on my main " and still get instant declien on their liek 1k 700 itlv alt.
this season you can literaly get to 717 itlv fully hc and mythic transmosg just from spaming dvelves.
(grandmother is the highest achievement you can reach!)
