First of all,let me introduce myself.I personally starts playing a paladin since TBC,this fantasy class make me feel like really a hero to purge evil and protect allies.However,retribution spec is performing worse and worse since BFA while protection spec is having a few small problems.Since the devs are changed with more understanding people,i decide to give my personal suggestions below:
As for retribution spec:
First,remove the -%damage aura in PvE content.
Second,here are some talents revamp:
Tier 15,Execution sentence should do cumulated damage even if the target dies before it falls down and it should also guarantee a critical hit.Zeal regenerate one holy power after the 3 auto attacks.
Tier 25,Empyrean power replaced by Divine Hammer (like legion).Divine hammer replaces Blade of Justice,generate 2 holy power and does 100%more damage within 10sec( can be refreshed by art of war and no aoe cap).Blade of Wrath also increases it’s critical chance by 25% while keeping the original effect.
Tier 30,absolutly fine
Tier 35,i think 90% of the paladin players dont like the pony.Cavalier is replaced by light speed which allow you to charge to the target with the light speed does x point aoe burst damage and regenerate 1holy power. 30sec cooldown
Tier 40,Seraphim should off Global cooldown.Holy avenger has been a really dead talent since the beginning of 9.0,so make it a 1 min/2 mins cooldown should make it a little more conpetitive.
Tier 45,Justicar’s Vengence has been a never use talent for so long time.Sacred Aura replaces Justicar’s Vengence.Sacred aura replaces consecration,it can be toggle on/off any time,sacred aura does 300% increased damage(no aoe cap like consecration) and heals the party for 2.5%of the damage.The healing is splited among all party members.
Tier 50,There is no meaning for the off cooldown effect of Final Reckoning.Replace the origninal off cd effect by permanent 10% increased holy damage.
Third,I did a +23 dos with friends this week and i feel really powerless during aoe.Please increase divine storm aoe cap to 10 or just remove the aoe cap.Meanwhile, ashes to ashes shouldn’t do reduced damage on secondary targets.
Fourth,I do want to re-mention it again.All 3 holy power spenders are really garbage with the -%damage aura in pve content.Remove the -%damage aura is gonna increase the value of spenders.
Fifth,Crusader strike is doing much less damage than melee,making it does holy damage will really help.
Sixth,why so many rngs in retribution’s conduits???The only good conduit virtuous command only doing 3-4% of the overall damage and i think it should get a buff.
As for protection paladin,after the Shield of Righteous % damage reduction nerf to only armor,i think protection paladin should get a compensation.Reverse the 10%armor nerf and increases the stamina by additional 15% should make protection paladin more viable in top level content.This is also what i experienced while tanking a +21 dos during fortified week,spellwarding can well against magic damage but warlord can pierce our armor easily even with Shield of Righteous 100% uptime,more hit points and armor should make the react time a bit longer.
Totally agree with a buff to crusader strike. What a joke of a builder.
Because i cannot imagine blizz making a bigger redesign this expansion i would already be happy if they just buffed divine storm leggo.
Make ashen wake and seraphim 30s again, take seraph off the gcd
I agree Prot paladin is feeling much better this patch and this is due purely to our scaling with gear. We are far from being the best tank, but we have very very good damage and is very fun to play. Combine that with Venthyr in raids, it feels like we are carrying on many encounters.
Bring back Forbearance for Wings and BoP. Nerf WoG for Ret and Prot (overall , off spec healing should be reduced because it’s a joke atm, especially for Pallies)
That would be a start.
buff divine tempest and like really BUFF ret in pve, it’s literally a joke spec atm:
worst in pve
worse than 70% of specs in pvp
I know blizzard can go deeper and forget about us like what they did to unholys, well let’s count on that too
Rotfl again. We have already established in the other 3d that you’re knowledge of prot is kinda lackluster, this is just reinforcing the point. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and resort to personal attack because you have nothing of real substance to say.
Dude,your tank role only has a +16 as best run.I don’t think that’s a high lvl content.After the shield of Righteous nerf,prot paladin hasn’t received any compensation.There is only 1 prot paladin in top 10 tanks.Imo,it’s time to massively nerf Holy paladin and buff the other 2 to their original levels.
Protection and holy paladin feels good to play this expansion when i compare them to BFA for example
but RET is getting worse maybe not in NUMBERS cause the spec can PUMP
but the dmg numbers are not what makes RET good
crusader strike is complete joke
spenders are wrong
mastery is terrible
no SEALS?
where is my long arm of the law?
where are the interesting talents choices?
why is not divine purpose baked in to the spec already?
1 minute burst build is the most boring thing in wow
in my opinion they should go and revisit cata/mop/wod ret and just took what was good what people liked and just put it in
they did it with shadow priest this expansion
You don’t have ORBS but the gameplay is almost the same as in MOP with spending your instanity on devouring plague
the fact that your experience and knowledge as a prot is lackluster at best?
Eating a spoon of salt feels surely good compared to eating a spoon of dirt, so?
Ret is not getting worse, it’s not getting better, and it will never be better unless they ditch hopo and start again from scratch.
Until we are stuck with the big spender combined with wings, situation won’t change, as any buff will make our numbers too high consider how much burst we have.
i agree with you some abilities like Crusader strike needs a buff
Divine storm Aoe cap , also wake of ashes reduced dmg on secondary target
and yea about divine hammer i miss it
Light speed actually is a nice revamp and we all wish for that
Auras should be removed or something
guess paladins in 9.1.5 will have some tweaks
Its the inferior spec but only due to utility, the dmg profile isn’t that bad, especially if used correctly.
The problem is that other spec have the same or better dmg, and also bring a lot lot more to the table. Mage combust, boomkins, dmg bonuses etc etc.
They should give us a serious party buff or tool, like brez or proper party wide defensive.