This is the weakest I believe Retribution has ever been
Retribution currently has…
Lowest burst damage of any DPS spec
Lowest defensive of any DPS spec
Lowest mobility of any DPS Spec
Lowest Crowd Control of any DPS spec
Doesn’t offer any Offensive Dispels or Mortal Strike
Has the lowest Off Healing of any Hybrid DPS
What does Retribution bring? to the game? I would Argue Retribution is Literally F TIer in a meta which is Caster + Hpala healer… Like every shuffle tonight as been 3 Casters + either Disc or Hpala…
If i come against Disc, My Defensive CDS are gone… If I play with a Hpala either my cds or his cds get locked due to forb.
A buff to hero talents does not look so good.
Sure on paper that mean our burst will be a little better but what about single target damage?
So once again we will be burst spec with no dmg out of it.
This does not off set that they cannot play with or against the meta healer, have the lowest survival rate vs caster comps and offer little to no solo kill potential
Problem with Retribution Paladin is that the class very quickly dominates arena if damage becomes too great.
The 2v2 essentially becomes double dps gatekept by Retribution Paladins because any double dps wont be able to win against a Ret+Support due to the Bubble. So 2v2 practically becomes ret+dps or healer+dps.
My suggestion would be to buff Retribution Paladin’s overall damage and then make it impossible to attack whilst under the effect of bubble. That would solve the arena turbo issues with ret paladin.
I’d normally say you’re exaggerating. But honestly I think it might be the worst in history. The damage does not exist. Even with the damage buffs coming I still think they’ll be bottom of the barrel. Especially with things like disc being so prominent at the moment also.
Priest (Meta Healer 1)
Very strong healer right now that removes our defensive spells
Holy Pala (Meta Healer 2)
Playing with a Holy means it’s one wrong BOP or Lay on Hands from game over
Caster
We have less survival vs casters due to low mobility, no range interrupt and our only wall being a 10% reduction. We cannot stop a caster, we cannot pressure a caster, so rets are pretty much a play thing of a caster
add all these 3 together on top of no meme 1 shot build, we end up D Tier vs Caster meta healer comps.
Not gonna argue with that since i really dont know how rets are.
Dude, thats a blatant lie.
Ima stop you right there.
Paladins dont have issues with mobility anymore.
Dude you can Searing Glare a whole team and they cannot even trinket that.
Stun, AOE Incap, Repentance. 100% parry, crit reduction , etc.
Blatant lie.
Of all hybrids actually Ret heals the most.
If you want people to take you seriously, make sure you dont use lies in your statements.
I usually give people the benefit of the doubt because being ignorant is not always intentional but in your case Im just gonna call you a liar.
Stop lying.
Utility, damage, damage soak, offhealing, immunities and offhealing, reduction of CC.
They’re gone if you play your cards wrong.
Thats true and its a bummer, reality is that the game doesnt balance around Shuffle.
You think it doesnt bug me when I play with another rogue or a feral ?
Dude. Probably damage-wise you might be right, im not informed -i dont wonna take any stance on that.
Aside from that- pure deception on your side.
Sorry. This aint Delulu Land.
any double dps loses against 2s meta comps that are dps+healer. even mage+rogue is not really represented in 2s because healers are just too strong. double dps cant end games fast enough before they die without a healer.
ret also has no MS which makes it one of the weaker melees in 2s in general.
ret deserves buffs and as long as they dont overtune them like hell it wont be a problem for 2s at all.
Paladin biggest issue right now is the survival, hence why the next patch seens a HUGE redesign and HUGE BUFF!! to our survival. you are absurdly wrong to believe rets have good defensive abilities.
One AOE iNcap and Rep are a choice node, cannot have it at the same time. Crit reduction is a Holy paladin spell which ret does not have. 100% parry? Assume you mean gearing glare which is a 1.5s CD cast, very great defensive CC…
Feral and balance has higher self healing and off healing
Shadow Priest has higher self healing and off healing
enhancement shaman has higher self healing and off healing
i cannot believe how uninformed you are are as a player
Utility, damage, damage soak, offhealing, immunities and offhealing, reduction of CC.
Damage? No it deosn.t Damage soak? What is that? Off healing none existent given WOG heals for about 400k? 5%-8% health? Immunities can be countered and exceptionally good vs some and none existent. Off healing you’ve already said. So yes the only thing it brings is BOP and SANC.
Templar: Shake the Heavens lasts for 10 seconds (was 8 seconds).
Templar: Sanctification duration increased to 12 seconds (was 10 seconds).
Templar: Final Reckoning now increases the damage of Hammer of Light by 30% (was 15%).
Templar: Hammer of Light main target damage increased by 25%.
Templar: Hammer of Light secondary target damage increased by 75%.
Templar: Light’s Deliverance now triggers at 50 stacks (was 60).
Templar: Undisputed Ruling grants 15% Haste for 8 seconds (was 12% Haste for 6 seconds).
Templar: Wrathful Descent now deals 125% of the Empyrean Hammer damage to nearby enemies (was 100%).
Templar: Empyrean Hammer now benefits from Penitence and Burn to Ash.
PALADIN
Many talents have changed locations.
New Talent: Holy Ritual – Allies are healed when you cast a Blessing spell on them and healed again when the blessing ends.
New Talent: Worthy Sacrifice – You automatically cast Blessing of Sacrifice onto allies within 40 yards when they receive damage while below 35% health and you are not in a loss of control effect. This effect activates 100% of Blessing of Sacrifice’s cooldown.
New Talent: Steed of Liberty – Divine Steed also grants Blessing of Freedom for 3 seconds.
New Talent: Eye for an Eye – Melee and ranged attackers receive Holy damage each time they strike you during Ardent Defender or Divine Protection and Divine Shield.
New Talent: Stoicism – The duration of stun effects on you is reduced by 20%. 10% in PvP combat.
New Talent: Wrench Evil – Turn Evil’s cast time is reduced by 100%.
New Talent: Stand Against Evil – Turn Evil now affects 5 additional nearby enemies.
New Talent: Righteous Protection – Blessing of Sacrifice now removes and prevents all Poison and Disease effects.
New Talent: Light’s Countenance – The cooldowns of Repentance and Blinding Light are reduced by 15 seconds.
New Talent: Sacred Strength – Holy Power spending abilities are 2% more effective. Choice node with Divine Purpose.
New Talent: Divine Spurs – Divine Steed’s cooldown is reduced by 20%, but its duration is reduced by 40%.
New Talent: A Just Reward – After Cleanse successfully removes an effect from an ally, they are healed.
New Talent: Empyreal Ward – Lay on Hands grants the target 100% increased armor for 30 seconds and now ignores healing reduction effects.
New Talent: Lightbearer – 10% of all healing done to you from other sources heals up to 4 nearby allies, divided evenly among them.
New Talent: Selfless Healer – Flash of Light and Holy Light are 30% more effective on your allies and 40% of the healing done also heals you.
New Talent: Inspired Guard – Ardent Defender and Divine Protection increase healing taken by 15% for their duration.
New Talent: Holy Reprieve – Your Forbearance’s duration is reduced by 10 seconds.
New Talent: Light’s Revocation – Removing harmful effects with Divine Shield heals you for 10% for each effect removed. This heal cannot exceed 30% of your maximum health. Divine Shield may now be cast while Forbearance is active.
New Talent: Blessed Calling – Allies affected by your Blessings have 15% increased movement speed.
New Talent: Lead the Charge – Divine Steed reduces the cooldown of 4 nearby ally’s major movement ability by 3 seconds. Your movement speed is increased by 3%.
New Talent: Divine Reach – The radius of your auras is increased by 20 yards.
Fist of Justice has been redesigned – The cooldown of Hammer of Justice is reduced by 15 seconds.
Sanctified Wrath has been redesigned – Now increases the duration of Avenging Wrath and causes its respective specialization effect (was able to be its own spell).
Consecrated Ground is now a class tree talent.
Auras of the Resolute now additionally teaches the paladin Crusader Aura.
Seasoned Warhorse is now a passive learned at level 40.
Judgment damage increased by 10%.
Judgment cooldown has been reduced by 1 second.
Hammer of Justice base cooldown is reduced to 45 seconds (was 60 seconds).
Avenging Wrath now increases Critical Strike chance by default.
Unbound Freedom now additionally targets a nearby ally by default if you cast Blessing of Freedom on yourself.
Lightforged Blessing now heals for 3% of maximum health for all specializations (was 1% for Holy/Protection and 2% for Retribution).
Of Dusk and Dawn: Blessing of Dawn’s effect has been increased by 10% for Protection and Retribution and by 5% for Holy Paladins.
Divine Toll’s icon has been updated.
The following talents are now 1 point:
Fist of Justice
Holy Aegis
The following talents are now 2 points:
Vengeful Wrath
Zealot’s Paragon
The following talents have been removed:
Seal of the Crusader (Retribution and Protection)
Vanguard’s Momentum (Holy)
Golden Path
Strength of Conviction
Fading Light
Seal of Order
Seal of Mercy
Touch of Light
Incandescence
Avenging Wrath: Might
Fixed an issue that caused Seal of the Crusader to display the incorrect heal value.
Fixed an issue that caused Faith’s Armor to appear multiple times in the talent tree for Protection Paladins.
Hero Talents
Herald of the Sun
Dawnlight’s activation stacks now appear on the personal resource display.
Dawnlight now appears on enemy nameplates.
Lightsmith
New Talent: Authoritative Rebuke – Successfully interrupting an enemy’s spellcast reduces your Rebuke’s cooldown by 1 second. Effect increased by 100% while wielding a Holy Armament.
New Talent: Tempered in Battle – When you or an ally wielding a Holy Bulwark are healed above maximum health, transfer 100% of the overhealing to your ally. When you or an ally wielding a Sacred Weapon drop below 40% health, redistribute your health immediately and every 1 second for 4 seconds.
The following talents have been removed:
Fear No Evil
Excoriation
Retribution
Shield of the Righteous damage increased by 20%.
Word of Glory healing increased by 10%.
Developer’s note: We’re moving some power back into Word of Glory and Shield of the Righteous baseline with the removal of the Strength of Conviction talent.
Top 200 is not a large enough sample to consider it representative of the entire experience.
While there is probably a good overlap between meta classes and the top 200, at such a low sample size, there could be a plethora of other reasons, for instance, the top 200 best players in the world might just not like a certain class and as such it becomes underrepresented, and we cannot without going into a detailed player analysis of the entire 200 group say exactly why the class distribution is what it is here.
I rather look at something like the top 5000 or so, thats a large enough sample size that I trust the quantitative trends.
rogue mage is significantly harder to play than healer/melee dps in 2s. if the best rogues and mages in the world can’t make it work in 2s, there is zero chance people half their rating will find success.
but sure - top 5000 paints the same picture: take all of the frost mages and all of the sub rogues in the top 5000, combine them and you get 1/4th the number of disc priests in the top 5000
Thanks. Based on what we see on Drustvar, I agree with you.
WowArenaLogs seem to show some succesful double dps comps with relatively high win rates (65%+) such as AffLock + FrostDK, Sub + Destro, but afaik Drustvar is more reliable than WowArenaLogs because it depends on who uses it and so the data is skewed towards those using these tools.
na its not true. especially the Boomy part XDD Boomy have by far the worst off healing and survivability in the game
ur also uninformed
Dont worry dad Blizzard loves Ret Players what just pressing w it will be in a few patches back to the highest represented class in solo shuffle again
also i cant understand your whine thread because like u said Ret is getting buffed/ reworked how about to wait until these changes happen, and if Ret is still trash tier, come back and complain?
i Dont know how good these changes are, or if they are noticeable but Rets are getting buffed + reworked in the big patch, so i think they are still better after these changes?
it was the same in df 2s as well. double dps comps u almost exclusively meet in placements and in lower mmr matches.
the comp has 11 games played total. it was basically played by one team only and they only did placement matches which are low mmr.
if the players are high xp they can for sure win those placements, of which many are against other double dps, but that doesnt mmean the comp is good.
