Return of class halls

Totally.
The Earthen Ring (led by Thrall or Highmountain lady or whoever isn’t me) should have been all over the Primalists. You do see some Earthen Ring NPCs around but they aren’t an active part of the story.

Not just the Class Orders but Brann should have been all over those Titan facilities. He was in Ulduar, he was in Uldum, he should be on the Dragon Isles too.

You’re not grasping what I’m saying, maybe I’m not explaining clearly enough.

There’s no recycling here.

There’s only new content. Let me put it this way. Returning to Orgrimmar, or Stormwind for some faction specific quest, that is brand new at the time of its release, is that recycling those locations?

No they’re just story telling set, a narrative backdrop if you will. We want to find out what’s new in Horde politics, we go to a horde capital city. Not to insert current expansion player hub neutral city .

Same applies to what I’m suggesting for order halls. You’re a paladin, you don’t want new paladin themed quests? You don’t want to catch up with key paladin characters? Maybe be given a quest that’s specifically designed to be challenging for the paladin tool kit, and then get class specific rewards? (remember warlock green fire quest for example?)

This isn’t there instead of player housing. They’re not even competing in the same field. Player housing is a non narrative aspect of gameplay for us, collection, customisation, expression that side of the game. Order Halls have enormous story telling potential…

For example look at what Gram is saying here and how well he gets it:

The Primalists had such a huge potential… For me they were the first interesting faction since the Scarlets and the Twilight Cultists… They’re beliefs in such a stark opposition to ours (tldr: elements for azeroth against Titan influence). Where was the Earthen Ring?! All those important shamans…

Massively missed opportunities.

This is not recycling, this is about writing and experiencing great stories worthy of the rich world they’ve been created in. That’s where order halls come in. To help keep the broader world alive and relevant.

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Make the area smaller than garrisons, no need for an area that big. Let people build in any zone in wow. Make it custimizable. Don’t focus the entire expansion on it. maybe make housing a profession?

Yep, I agree. I presume there’s always going to be shamans/palas/priest/etc etc in any expansion so why not invest a bit into class quests to see things from that perspective. it’s just a location that fits for that theme. Also makes people play alts.

Same with the human herritage questline, that mostly took place in the old human world and I freaking loved it.

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Reusing order halls is recycling them

Yes and no. It really depends on the context.
Going back to an older zone for a new quest like they did with the blue dragonflight or herritage armor questlines is like that too. Is that a bad thing? Imo it’s not.

WoW has become so big I feel they should stop and take a look at what they already have instead of adding new stuff constantly that will be abandoned a year down the line.
Class hall are so epic it’s a shame they just let them rot. They could provide the entry point of so many current- expansion relevant class questlines.

Well at least that’s my take :slight_smile:

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Indeed.
If they do re-engage with the Orders and their Halls I don’t want any of those Legion systems in them. No mission tables or Upgrade system that you spend Order Resources on to.

They should be locations for storytelling primarily.

There could be some other features but they shouldn’t be grinds nor expansion specific.
There could be portals to certain locations, a bit like how Druids get to teleport to various druidy places.

Shaman could have portals to Deepholm or Molten Core or other places related to the elements.

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I would love to be able to build my Class Hall over however long I play WoW for, I don’t need a new one every expansion. I’m still the leader of the Illidari damnit, who is going to lead them if I leave them behind? :sleepy:

You’re tunnel visioning on semantics and not engaging with the bigger picture I’ve presented to you.

Look what other people are saying above…

Are you opposed to returning to an older zone in order to receive a brand new quest, with fresh writing and up to date rewards? Did you think all the heritage quests so far were recycled content?

Just answer that so I can understand your position and definitions.

Absolutely spot on. We want good lore presented in an engaging and relevant narrative right?

Precisely! in BFA I made my first alliance character so I can see their side of the confliect. In Legion I played so many classes (casually) so I can discover their stories. It gives so much content to explore!

No you simply don’t want to accept it. I dont have to agree with you. I’m entitled to my own opinion and views.

Just like others who do want to see parts of the game recycled. It’s fine for people to want that. Wont change that I don’t.

I feel the class halls are an integral part of Legion and belong there. They have no place in the current game.

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It would not work.
With the Alliance and Horde armies defeated at the Broken Shore. There was a need to rebuild both forces to take on the Burning Legion.
Now it would be leaks of military, including “champions” and combat styles as well as power sources and more.

The neutrality of the class halls is why it was able to work in the first place.

And here I thought MVPs were here to inspire productive debates.

You haven’t answered or addressed any of the things I asked you. I’m asking you questions so I can understand your views beyond a simple “no”. If you don’t care to elaborate then ok, see ya later.

You’re creating a binary dichotomy that is irrelevant to the conversation.

I’m talking about story telling, expanding the lore and continuing the story of interesting characters. Locations serve as narrative backdrops among other things. Did you think all of the heritage quests were recycled content, because they took place in old locations?

Because if you do, then you have a distorted opinion on the definition of “recycled content”

Recycled content is TW dungeons and seasonal celebrations to give you two examples. Mage tower got recycled as well. Don’t get me wrong, they’re not bad things. Obviously 100% content sounds more enticing.

Story has width and depth. Vertical and horizontal exploration if you want. It’s healthy for the state of the game, to have both. That’s the point. Not talking command tables and artefact weapons in case this is what clouds your understanding of the subject.

Im not obligated to have an opinion you approve of. Sorry.

It’s rather strange that you cant accept people having a different opinion and have to keep going at them.

This badgering adds nothing. So just accept we dont agree and move on. I’m not telling you you’re not allowed to like or want different things so please extend me the same courtesy.

Class halls could have and should be constant evergreen thing. It’s the most logical place for class cosmetics, for an example.

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We neither agreed or disagreed. We never spoke about the same subject.

Enjoy your evening.

This is a failure of the story telling in WoW (especially recently).
The Cenarion Circle were there in Zangamarsh in TBC. They were there in Mount Hyjal in Cata. The Silver Hand having been fighting the Scourge and the Scarlet Crusade since before Vanilla. Thrall did take a bit too much of the lime light in Cata and should have been The Earthen Ring focused but meh.
For Rogues it’s trickier as their Orders used to be split into SI:7 and (not sure who) the Horde equivelant.

Hunters also never really had an Order per se, so it was Nessingwary quests for them.
So some work might be needed for some classes to develop an Order. Perhaps some classes could share, Rogues and Hunters could both be recon types.

There should be more Class cosmetics similar to Warlock Green Fire.

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