Hello,
I started playing on Firemaw (Horde) since day 1 and quit around sunwell. Queues made raiding impossible so i took a break.
Now i finally decided to try Wotlk again but after logging in there seems to be no players on Horde side. AH had 3 weapons total…
Is there any way to get free transfers to a playable (also pvp) server? I’ve got 3 accounts with geared 60s, 70s, twinks, a guild bank,… so paid transfer is not an option, i’d rather quit
This is vanilla forum section
That is TBC, not Classic Era.
This means your character is now in WotLK, so maybe check for FCT’s in that forum?
hey Zargath, unfortunately the server died for Horde right around the time Sunwell came out. There were free transfers available for a time to Mograine, then to Ashbringer (which had xfers back to Mograine) but I think those transfers were only available for about 6 months at the tail end of 2022.
You may have transfers to Hydraxian Waterlords which is RP-PvE but that server is completely dead on both factions. My advice is transfer to Hydraxian Waterlords, level to 80 using LFG/Questing. Farm the TLPD and all the rare spirit beast mobs on Hydraxian Waterlords (the server has like 100 people at peak time), stock up on mats and eventually bite the bullet on 1 toon to xfer over to a good Horde server (Gehennas, Golemagg or Mograine).
Alternatively you can buy a faction xfer to Alliance on Firemaw though that would kinda suck.
No it´s not.
Hydraxian Waterlords has, granted, a tiny but active community, still Roleplay and Raids.
Not enough for mega realm player, true, but it´s there and those who are still actively playing on this realm are happy (as you might know if you would follow threads and see that there are often player “defending” their realm).
You might not get the appeal of a low pop RP realm, that´s fine, but that doesn´t mean you can declare the realm unilaterly “dead”.
Despite that, you know that many people called the era realms (including Firemaw) dead not long ago, and the active community left there wasn´t happy about that lable either!
AFAIK they can´t offer FCT for only one person. It would be for all or no one, and I don´t see them open up FCT from Firemaw anytime soon.
However, they have currently a lot of character services for 50% off, maybe you can at least move one character (i´m not sure if guild bank would work, i think they introduced this later) to a more crowded realm (Horde would be Gehennas or Golemagg for example, faction transfer would be ok to stay on Firemaw).
Otherwise you would have to play from scratch.
It’s dead.
Last week you had 36 raiders on Alliance and 55 on Horde.
Firemaw, the server OP is stuck on had 19568 raiders on Alliance and 306 on Horde. A server which is 99% Alliance had 3x as many Horde raiders as Hydraxian Waterlords both factions combined.
The auction house on both factions of Hydraxian Waterlords is emptier than some low pop Era servers.
You can be in denial and enjoy your time with your friends sure, but for most players Hydraxian Waterlords will be a miserable experience and only used as a farming server before moving onto a proper server.
No, it´s not
No need to be in denial of anything.
The realm is fine, from a community point of view.
That you only consider RAIDERS (and ignore the fact that especially on RP realms not everyone does log) just says, that you don´t know what you are talking about.
And that´s the reason why smart people won´t move there, unless they know what to expect.
That most people are not smart is an other topic
And most era realms - including the Firewmaw cluster -were low pop until this year, too.
And the community never liked to be called “dead”. After your definition, the era community was “dead” and it never was.
Especially as an era player you should know that pure player count does not say everything.
(some people still call Firemaw dead btw, just not as dead as other realms. I don´t think the active FM era player would agree on that 
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To try to advice that says a lot about you, and it´s nothing good.
It´s leeching the existing community, and is also a problem on some era realms.
Ok so Hydraxian isn’t a good server for raiding. Isn’t a good server for buying anything on the auction house. I doubt you can find any arena partners there.
Somebody like OP, coming from a server with 3x as many raiders as your server has combined, will likely have a bad experience.
You can enjoy Hydraxian Waterlords for what it is, but most players will not. I advise OP to move to avoid getting ganked, farm on a relatively dead server and then move away to a server where they do activities they enjoy (like making money, raiding and PvPing).
I doubt OP is a RPer, but judging by the size of Hydraxian Waterlords I doubt many other players are either.
First of all sorry if i sound a “bit crumpy” but i´m indeed a little bit mad. will try to explain it since i calmed down a little bit 
Second: just to have it said, my main focus is on era Celebras, was all the time. I do, though, play on Hydraxian (Wrath) when i have time, have a guild and friends there. Therefore i do feel connected to the realm, though not as much as to era Celebras. 
That beeing said:
I never disagreed with you, that the realm is not suited for most people.
And you know what?
That´s totally fine. People who prefer mega realms are free to play there.
I, personally, consider those realms on the other hand as “dead”. Not from Auctions, PUGs and so on, but from a community point of view.
Many are selfish, because you´ll never meet each other again.
For me those realms are just lifeless shells. And that´s exactly why i don´t play there 
When the FCT to Hydraxian were opened last time, my friends and me btw never advertised to just move over. We always adviced to start a level 1 character and check it out, OR send an alt, which could be abandoned if necessary, for exactly this reason
Where i DO disagree with you, is the phrasing “dead” for our realm, especially after i told you, that we don´t consider it as dead.
And that you think it´s finde to send people to leech there (granted, some rare are probably not this big of an issue, but still).
It shows a lot of disrespect towards the community there.
I don´t know if you really don´t know the history of the RP realms in WoW Classic.
After i read this comment, i guess the answer is “no”
What you are seeing right now, is not the RP community WoW Classic does have or could have.
It´s those who are left after Blizzard messed up everything they could. Really EVERYTHING.
I´m not 100% sure what happend to Hydraxian Waterlords and Zandalar Tribe, but what i´ve heard was, that after Blizzard opened FCT away, everyone and their pet panicked and moved away. It´s also visible on some tracking websites. OVER NIGHT!
THe problem here is, that Blizzard said, that they put Hydraxian by mistake on the Realm murder list. That´s why the realm was left, despite the fact they planned to kill it.
Since the realm “consolidation” was step 2, and step 1 was “FCT off” - i´m pretty sure, the FCT were already a mistake.
Bloodsail Buccaneers and Hydraxian Waterlords in Wrath are empty now, but both don´t have FCT. I really think the FCT off during TBCC was a mistake.
Without them, we´d have now probably a medium pop realm.
The problem is, it seems that most of the player were PVP/PVE player, and found what they were looking for on their target realms… and never came back.
Celebras on the other hand had a rough start.
We had to beg for this realm for 2 month (!)
2 Month (!) after release (!) the realm was brought online.
The problem was: i still remember, that some player gave up hope that the germans would get their RP realm, and then they decided to settle all on one PVE.
Everlook was the mega realm for PVE player, Razorfen the streamer realm, and Lakeshire?
Lakeshire was alwas different. As close as a PVE realm can come to a RP realm. And many PVE player, who are just playing on RP reamlms for the friendly atmosphere, never came when Celebras finally was brought online. If the devs had listened to us, and had brougth Cele with release or maybe one month after release, we´d now have still a german RP realm. I´m 100% sure about it.
When the FCT were opened, Cele went from the smallest RP realm in EU to the biggest RP Realm in EU, because we didn´t want to leave.
The devs in the end forced us, and many moved to Lakeshire, because we had a lot of older player who never learned english.
What were they supposed to do on an english realm?
Hydraxian is now empty, but it´s actually more crowded then last year. When we came, there were maybe 25 people online on both factions, to prime time.
And some of those who were there, left later because the realm never recoverd the way they wished.
A good bunch of the current player base are former Zandalari (RP-PVP) and Celebrasians (german RP).
We came, because we had to. We lost friends, guilds… our community. Our preferred realm type or language.
Nevertheless, the realm has now a new community. It´s a new one, which grew since last year.
And those, who are still there, are happy, many made new friends.
I really don´t think anyone has the right dismiss what the have found and build, just because the realm does not offer, what most people are looking for.
I call the former Zandalari and Celebrasians who are left on Hydraxian “Survivors” of Blizzards idea to kill of our realms.
It´s a tiny realm, but it DOES have an active community. A community of player who were forced to start over on a new realm and to create a new community.
On era it´s btw the same.
I guess you check the AH data, you check the player count and what you see, are “dead” RP realms.
What i see is:
I see more player since last year. Most of them are now in guilds, or are former Celebras players or connected with the community, but still without guild.
I see a tiny, but active AH (because we try to make sure that newbies without connection to the community can find what they are looking for, and we try to make sure that they sell stuff).
I see not many player, but i do see that dungeons are gone more often, and even spontanous now in different level ranges.
We got again a UBRS group.
There are first considerations for a Zul´Gurub raid, and some dream already about Molton Core.
It´s not in the very close future because most of our chars are fresh 60 and need to be equped, Flask recipes need to be farmed, but it´s a community thing and we all work towards this goal. And Zul`Gurub is very likely going to happen. It will be the first Raid since TBCC release.
There is daily RP, we have regular RP events.
This all is something someone can not see with numbers.
Our community is very lively, but very tiny.
Is it something for everyone? no.
But we are happy. and to see other people dismiss what we achived already - be it in Wrath or era- is really hurtful.
It´s not our fault, that Blizzard - even though by accident - managed to wipe out more or less the complete RP community on RP realms. if they had left us alone, we would have been fine.
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