I strongly believe you’re best off focusing down your efforts on banning the bots instead of banning a loot system blizzard.
Yes I completely agree that era and wrath are busted and you can’t get into the gdkp ecosystem as a fresh player without buying gold but - these realms have 5 years behind them the gold is beyond inflated and I believe this wouldn’t happen on a 1 year and a half at most seasonal realm
I can only talk from my own experience but on locked flame the BFD pots are ranging between 50g and 150g on a very good day. The content is also incredibly easy unlike wrath so there is no issue with inviting fresh and potentially clueless players.
I like many other players I’ve seen posting are hurt by you banning gdkps:
Once my character is nearly fully geared what incentive is there to keep pug raiding if not for gdkps
It’s simply fun to farm gold on my hunter alt for example and use that gold to buy myself the feral mace on my druid. I feel like I can progress my character even when not raiding that way
People often leave soft-res or ms>os raids after their items don’t drop but in a gdkp they stay until the end
The last point I would like to make is that banning gdkps won’t magically increase the amount of guilds or SR or MS>OS runs(in my humble opinion at least):
I believe the “career” gdkpers shall we call them will simply play 1-2 characters as opposed to actively raiding 5-6
Guilds are obviously cool but you can’t exactly expect to play multiple 5-6 alts in a guild and gear them all fully
If anything it will make the SR runs more restrictive(you want the same items as the ex-gdkp host?? you’re not invited) and with more hard reserves on. More people leaving once their item hasn’t dropped
I would like to conclude by saying - Blizzard please reconsider this change. You’re obviously experimenting with stuff which is very cool but I believe you have missed the mark this time. Let the community police itself(and report gdkp spammers/gold buyers) and go after the bots instead. Thank you for reading
The impact that GDKP has on the game and the community goes far beyond just RMT and botting. In my own opinion gold buying and the facilitators of such services are the least of the problems associated with GDKP.
What GDKP does is turn what is supposed to simply be a fun experience into a transaction of goods and services. With this you are obviously turning the game into a business, rather than an enjoyable passtime. That in turn leads to the kind of obnoxious marketing GDKP leaders are known for, along with a negative mentality that participants in their own minds must be rewarded. Furthermore that others must be punished (deducted) for even the smallest of infractions for potentially hurting the business, which coincidentally leads to a bigger cut for the rest.
Fun, you play the game because you enjoy it. If you don’t enjoy it I would suggest you do something else.
Most people just buy gold instead.
Join a guild or find a reliable pug.
You know that thing you can read on the loading screen about doing things in moderation? I think that’s exactly what it’s referring to.
don’t join a HR run if you want that item. 2) join a guild.
You say join a guild , and loose the ONE item you have been waiting for all phase to someone that JUST dinged 25 full greens and wins that ONE item u have been longing for all phase , just because you dice sucks that moment… Naah. Atleast in a GDKP you can’t blame anyone but yourself if something drops and you want it and dont get it.
okay gold buyer whine more
the only reason to defend GDKPs:
you run them and benefit hugely from gold buyers : so this count also if you are not even selling or buying gold you are still benefitting hugely as long there is 1 gold buyer in the group and you are basically indirectly buying gold and helping the gold buyers
you sell the gold from GDKP runs to gold buyers that also do GDKP runs like a circle
you buy gold and want to use that gold on GDKPs
you botting to sell the gold to the GDKP runners
there is 0 reason to defend GDKPs unless its 1 of them
GDKPs is just a way to say you are doing this without going against TOS
simple is that
Ty for being civil and having a conversation about this first of all. To reply to your points:
we have different takes on what is fun. me and the other gdkp enjoyers simply enjoy the raid in a gdkp setting. I don’t see what’s wrong with that
I don’t have the data to agree or disagree obviously but that’s exactly what I’m suggesting, that they focus all their efforts on banning that instead of the loot system
I run my own raids. Guilds you have a set schedule which sucks sometimes and random people leaving after their stuff doesn’t drop hurt the reliable pugs too
Again with all due respect but it’s not for you to manage how many characters other people plays. It’s level 25 we do that in 20 hours, it’s not even out of the ordinary to have 5-6 alts. We are meant to try out all the different classes and specs no? that’s what the discovery thing is all about after all
Again not an issue for me as I make my own group and main tanks. But your average gamer pugging will have less to choose from is what I’m trying to get at. The guild thing I’ve explained my stance on it already
The loot system as a function still works by the way, it’s just being restricted for the currency that bots and gold sellers benefit from easiest.
If you love bidding for loot, just introduce anything that is not gold and keep going? Before this gold came into the picture we had points you could earn while raiding, heck make it bids for murloc eyes if you want.
The system to bid is still there, you wont earn gold from it anymore.
make 5-6 alts. and then complain: ohh not enough time
and make GDKPs to optimize it and properly buy some gold
maybe the problem is making the 5-6 alts. in the first place
and thats honestly more a “YOU” problem
reminder even if it is SOD it is still a MMORPG a genre known for no lifers
so if you are busy and have a “Life” but also want +5 alts
im sorry but its not a “pick both for free” its pick 1 or a other
also
wont work:
should basically explain it this part of barny64 scarab lord video peacebloom DKP
also will make that material good insane high in price that is properly used for crafting stuff
and they are still gold worth so therefor still a GDKP
the better system will be a DKP that is fully gamewide for every single players
points cannot be transfered at any way to other players
points can only be earned by doing max level raids and complete them
when bidding on gear for the points the points is not slipt amount the raid but just complety removed from the system
and there need to be a hard cap on how many points you can have: we have seeing often Guild DKP where 1 person just hoard alot of points making it impossible later on for new players in that guild to get any loot at all: just like with gold buyers in a GDKP
also all automated so no guild drama bias
also a reset once a while so it is hard to hoard those points
I enjoy participating in GDKP for various reasons.
My time is spend most efficiently, I always get an outcome.
Players will not leave the raid until the end.
I can gear easily alts
My class (meta) is not important, because gdkp adress a perfect loot contribution to archieve a bigger pot.
If you want another lootsystem, find a grp with your needs.
But i agree that some parts of the gold are from RMT. Its obviously true. Blizzard should bann gold sellers/buyers AND bots, that is the root. Why changing a system which is objectively good (except the fact of RMT (?)).
RMT will still exist and will still affect players in different areas.
you may never have but what about other people in your group
you dont know if 1 person has being buying gold in your group
so you will be benefiting from theirs basically cheating making you indirectly cheating aswell
The usual take of I don’t buy gold, I just participate when they’re handing it out.
It’s simple really, GDKP destroys economies, is antisocial and anti-guild, hurts people who don’t even participate, and majorly encourages RMT.
What way can you still defend it?
Edit: also this whole thread is so unbelievably anti-logic and it’s the second one I’ve seen. Yes Era and Wrath were killed by GDKP but allow it in SoD because here it won’t happen since there’s less gold. Do you people hear yourself?
I do not enjoy guilds that run LC, why ? Because they have been largely corrupt from my experience so i dont want to do that again.
“Regular” dkp guild, no. Because i have other commitments some weeks that wont let me join my guild for that week or 2 per month. So DKP would lock me to a set time and day of the week and my IRL suffers because of it.
Would you let your play time suffer because you HAD to play a game ? That sounds more like work than fun to me.
sadly there is also less controll in auction house but a GDKP is a full out gold buyer magnet becuase the raid gear is often better than BOEs(maybe not in phase1 for some item slots/classes but later phases)
why waste gold on a BOE only for it to be replaced with a raid item in a GDKP
seeing often stories of like people who was buying boost even from fly hackers to get as fast as possible to lvl 25 so they can join a GDKp raid no matter what kind of gear they have
heck even starting to see GDKP runs asking for buyers only and they dont care if you have 0 gear
they right out asking for gold buyers without saying it directly
