Rogue (all specs), Fury, DH, SP and Demoneed a tuning pass ASAP

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Rogue need the DK treatment and get some pretty major flat-line nerfs…

  1. Outright remove Double Vanish
  2. Outright remove ANY self healing outside of Vial.
  3. Make Shadowy Duel reduce the damage of the rogue & target by 50%
  4. Stealth should reduce all healing received by 75% while in stealth from ANY SOURCE to remove the toxic stealth environment!!!
  5. Give Sub and Assassination damage nerfs! some abilities could do with 30% nerfs

Fury mobility and sustain pressure is absurd. Keeping up 36% Mortal Strike isn’t difficult vs the vast majority of specializations. Let’s just cut to the chase and make slaughter house a 20% flat healing reduction and tone down the damage by at least 5-10% overall

Demon Hunter “WE’RE D TIER AFTER THE NERFS” - Yes Disgustingly overpowered even after nerfed 3 x times. The D is that sentence abbreviated. You can easily give them a 20% flat damage reduction and they would still be A Tier. So How about it? Flat 20% reduction across the board

SP the ability to instantly apply all dots within a couple casts and still be-able to clean somebody out with mind games is astronomically powerful on top of the on-demand CC. Just put Silence and Horror to 1 minute CDs up from 45s

Demo Lock the absolutely worst designed spec in the history of wow for PVP… Not worst designed for the player… worst design for the players playing against it … There is a reason everybody used to hate BM Hunters stampeding and just sending pets and AFKing… now granted Demo needs to cast a little however the pets are vastly more powerful…So implore blizz for the safety of everybody BUT the demo locks mind… GIVE DEMO THE WOD TREATMENT!! I don’t care what you do just reduce the damage and crowd control

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As a healer I welcome these changes. Maybe then I’d live past 2 minute in yolo shuffle.

Though I very much doubt it :joy:

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Honestly, I play a few different classes and Rogues are by far the most overtuned thing in the game right now.

-No one- should be able to kill someone else within a single stun 100%-0, where there is zero chance of counterplay.

The fact that Rogues have enough damage to do that, on top of ridiculous heals while vanishing, in addition to countless other defensives, is insane and needs a hard look at by the developers.

Rogues should have great CC and that’s it; thereby allowing skilled players to perform combos, do a bit of damage, reset the fight, come back in for a second/third pass and thus secure a kill.

No one in their right mind would think the current state of them is balanced, it’s basically a free win for the rogue unless you somehow outplay them ten fold.

I agree warlocks are still overtuned as well, but as someone that plays Fury, Shadowpriest and Demon Hunter, I can assure you good players can delete Demon Hunters quite easily now, so they don’t require further tuning.

Fury, however, are genuinely oppressive, a caster needs to outplay them by a considerable amount, or they just stick to them like glue. It’s ridiculously easy to do as well, which further compounds the issue.

Here’s hoping for more class tuning as soon as possible, because the state of the meta is ruining the season so far. (I genuinely feel sorry for casters).

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Uhuh…

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Welcome in the wow pvp forum section lets see what the expert have too say

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I’m not a fan of the current demo. I play it because i line running with the Felguard.

My solution to the problem is easy and also good for some demos. Change it back to MoP playstyle.

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u forgot feral btw

Feral dh in 3s was the most toxic thing i faced so far

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Can we please add preservation? That healing specc is already playing the next expansion. 25% healing nerf on everything and another 5% mana nerf. Nullifying shroud lasts 10 seconds, has 1 stack and has a 45 sec cd. So basically a sac but then on yourself to avoid incoming cc. That would mean they have to read the game a bit though…

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Try not to trinket sap mate. I don’t like playing against rogue/mage, but this is a ridiculous change. We got classes one-shotting outside of stun, but rogue/mage can’t even do it in a stun together? Being two squishy classes I think they deserve to at least be able to kill someone in a setup.

He wants the season 12 rogue back lmao…
Dude you can’t be srs? I haven’t played rogue this expansions, I think their design have become so meh. But how are rogues gonna be viable with these changes? I understand it must be so sad you can’t zug zug a rogue from beginning. But force his trinket and stun him.

so basically “fk cc” LET ME ZUG ZUG !!!
Imo, there is not enough CC for this amount of damage output.

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feral is garbo in solo shuffle compared to classes/specs TS talking about
assa rogue, dh, lock, warrior needs nerf either buff feral :grinning:

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idc about solo shuffle that bracke tis worthless its inflated and u cant be below 2k just by the current mmr design everybody gets to 2k easy since u dont really lose points and sometimes u get rewardet for winning 40% of the time

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it is what solo shuffle looks like rn (MOST OF THE TIME, even on 2k mmr), people cant cross cc, interrupt cast especially as melee (99% of rogues cant step-kick, warriors are just tunneling one target, casters cant even heal their teammates etc.), they are just pressing their dmg buttons until opponent dies, 0 skill involved and literally zero assistance provided

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to be fair, warriors are kinda designed to tunnel one target.

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kind of, but the point is they dont play for a team, they are like doing rotation for 1v1, as i said no cross cc, interrupts, prolong cc etc. and it’s not just warriors

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No one is trinketing sap, Rogue is extremely tanky with their vast array of cool-downs, and their burst/go’s are available more frequently than the Two
Minute pvp trinket.

Sorry that you probably main Rogue and are concocting an unrealistic depiction of them, the reality as most people know is 1. Their damage is tuned far too high, and 2. They still have too much healing/ability to reset a fight.

Please tune this class down blizzard so that it actually requires skill to play again.

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This is the biggest cope I’ve read in a while. Feral is definitely popping off. I dont think feral is the worst, but if you think they need buff you’re delusional

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Their survival could use some love. Can’t barely kite anymore and regrowth heals next to nothing…

Bear heal is 30% over 3sec, while they do no dmg… Warrs instant heal is 30, so is rogue pot :pensive:

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Agree 100%. I’m not saying warlock aint fine - but in solo shuffle where I get very little peel from my team mates, facing fury warriors is absolutely draining the fun out of the game for me. I am forced to face tank them all game, as their mobility is plenty compared to my Gateway and Demonic Circle.

Nerf demo to the point no one plays it in PvP, that’s fine. This spec is absolutely obnoxious in PvP cause of all the pets. But for the **** love of god, do something about fury warriors

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i didnt say feral is the worst (i think it’s coming right after those specs), i said it’s WORSE than those specs
also i said those classes/specs needs nerf EITHER buff feral to match their level

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Yes I am a rogue main - although I haven’t actually levelled it to 70. They aren’t really that fun anymore.

But saying that they don’t require any ‘skill’ is ridiculous. Assa sure. But that never required anything lmao. Unlike many specs, sub rogues are easy to differentiate when it comes to a good and a bad player. Look at fury warriors or dhs. I personally cannot tell the difference. I just know one does more damage than the other.

The damage is overtuned in general. Not just rogues.

But this was what you quoted earlier:

You can’t talk about skill-cap and at the same time talk about how no class should be able to setup a kill. What the f is the point of 3v3 if you can’t even kill in a setup? This was what made wow boring. The fact that apparently kills were now all about one-shotting out of nowhere. Don’t cc healer or cc the other dps. Just do all your damage and kill. That was partly why my friends and I quit both BfA and Shadowlands.

I was never a fan of legion either… but that was more related to all the pruning and templates.