Im trying rogue too, and whereas is effective, its also quite dull.
Make it more fun!
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It used to be one of one of the most played classes in the game, it was really fun…now its pretty damn boring, PVP is very difficult.
Rogue is now the second least popular class with only Monks having less players at max level.
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Every single class can do things better than Rogue especialy in PVE. In PVP is Rogue allways king of CC and pressure. If you know how to play sub … You can outplay everyone in 1v1 also you Are king of control. You can beat even Warrior if you play it Smart enough.
I agree this class need some rework. Is complicated a lot for current meta. When you can just pick Hunter or DH… And god Hunter is nuts 
. But I allways be sub Rogue main even if I suck with it. Because I like it.
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If you like to annoy others then Rogue is hell of a fun in PvP. Hells, you don’t even have to leave stealth just to get on someone’s nerves. (Looking at you poor healers who try to drink in epic BGs)
Outlaw need a big Rework this Backstab / Pseudo Shadowdance talent/palystyle is absolut Trash it belongs to Sub Rogues or Assassination. This is not what a what a Outlaw should be. Since Legion Blizzard wants him to be like a Pirate. I have no Problem with it. They Should make him more like a Combat Rogue with a nice touch of a Gunslinger. Again that Backstab / Pseudo Shadowdance talent/palystyle has to be removed from Outlaw rogue
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Not sure what you’re trying to say here. There is no backstab shadowdance style to Outlaw.
He’s refering to the builder-spender-builder-spender burst style rotation when you open with Ambush-BTE-Ambush-BTE (unless you’re lucky and it’s BTE-BTE-BTE), like Sub does with Shadowstrike-Evis-Shadowstrike-Evis.
Honestly it’s really bland, I shelved my rogue early this season because I just found the specs so boring. Hero talents also really suck nuts compared to what many other classes got (See Voidweaver, or new Pack Leader for hunt)
It also feels SUPER BAD to have Vanish tied to the burst. Omega-F that lol
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None of the rotations these days are exciting imo. I can agree on the vanish one. Not a fan of the design and i do think that should remain more of a sub type of play. I wouldnt mind if they made Outlaw more brawler type and not so stealth reliant to get some damage off.
I am glad that they ditched Shadowdance for Outlaw though, i never liked that ability.
Rogues and many other classes mostly have a passive nonsense hero talent selection and none of them feel exciting to me. It feel like a cheap version of the Legion artifact mixed with just normal talents. Its like selling oxygen to someone that is already breathing.
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Subjective opinion, I find some of the classes I used to enjoy have become a lot less exciting, namely rogue and monk especially. Warrior is a bit of give and take, Fury feels better than Arms.
Shadow priest to me has been a hoot, I enjoy the mini-burst windows of Void Torrent and pumping Devouring Plagues into the rift for a big boom. Rotation feels fluid with a fair amount of procs to keep it flowing nicely.
But I understand what you’re saying.
Yeah Outlaw was much better when it was just warrior with stealth, it feels so cheap and clunky now that you have to use Vanish for damage. Super ew, fkin hate it lol
Again, subjective. I like my black hole flying across the screen. Archon looks A-MAZING but requires too much hard cast to be PvP-worthy. I did mention the problem myself with rogue though, hero talents feel incredibly uninspired and boring, same with Slayer for warrior.
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Hunter and dh are worse than rogue…or are we playing a different game where assa isn’t obliterating high keys?
It also feels SUPER BAD to have Vanish tied to the burst
I hate how that makes you feel bad if you don’t play Night Elf for Shadowmeld.
Losing that extra “vanish” when an entire class has talents tied to feels awful.
Enjoying Assas rogue for the most part tbf, pvp has been hella fun dotting people up but I agree, from what I remember Rogue was once it needs a few tweaks here and there.
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BM hunters are top dogs in S2, DH’s are mid pack but quite a few changes to make their playstyle easier. Rogues get a tricks of the trade buff and a bugged tier set for 2 of the 3 specs.
Oh yes, they are better in s2. It’s a tragedy what happened to rogue.
But this discussion isn’t about s2, or did I miss it?
The fact that Rogue is quite good (numerically) in S1 doesn’t mean the class doesn’t have significant structural problems that make it more of a chore to play than it should be. Reworks are not due only for classes which perform poorly, you can put good performance onto basically anything if you make their numbers high enough, but Rogue is just clunky (at least Sin and Outlaw are, Sub seems a bit better).
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I understand that. That’s why I quit havoc and now I quit ww. It’s horrible that there are no real fixes.
But saying that rogue (especially assa) is worse than hunter and havoc is just a lie, or we miss details.
Outlaw needs a whole new rework for sure , imo Outlaw has the worst Hero talents compared to other classes , BLIZZARD JUST HATE ROGUE class in general thats a fact
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Where can we apply for class dev?
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Bring combat back. I hate roll the bones and the pirate theme. I prefer someone who is good with weapons and prefers agility over brute strength. Sub is too complex and assassination dunno I guess I like it
The thing is it doesn’t even have proper pirate theme anymore like it had in legion.
Rogue in general just feels like its from completely different game from 20 years ago when other classes feel way more modern and fun.
I used to main rogue but the class just feels obsolete useless and its theme is just all over the place.
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