So just a quick question to anyone else that may have this bug as I feel it is, when I get shadow duelled on my paladin in arenas I seem to be unable to cast judgment on the rogue this has happened to me a few times.
and no he didn’t have cloak of shadows up at the time.
does this happen for any other paladins ?
Just to clear that point, despite Judgment being Holy damage, Cloak does not immune it. None of your defensive CDs as Rogue can protect you from Judgement or Divine Toll. It bypasses Evasion and Cloak.
how does it bypass cloak? its magic damage
CoS:
Provides a moment of magic immunity, instantly removing all harmful spell effects. The cloak lingers, causing you to resist harmful spells for 5 sec.
The keyword here is resist. Holy damage can not be resisted in WoW.
This is just a wild guess tho.
Shadowy duel seems to have a fair few bugs :S There’s still the duel on divine shield bug isn’t there?
its more like the game differs from melee holy dmg and caster holy dmg for some spells, like chaosstrike from dhs is chaos dmg but cant be cloaked. but not shure which abilites are affected by it
Did the rogue duel you on BoP or bubble?
no the only thing i had up was wings its happen most than once
It happened to me yesterday, a lot of times. Sub Rogues use Shadowy Duel on me, and for some reason I cannot hit them at all. It’s not just Judgment, it’s every single spell.
I can confirm that this one is still there, yes.
It’s because chaos is regarded as all schools combined, even physical
Its kinda bugged. I always get resisted first second, then all spells except hammer of wrath works.
so why doesnt go chaosbolt through cloak ?
I don’t hold the explanation. It’s just how it works. Read below it you want more details.
Wild, and wrong. You immune Penance, Smite, or even Consecration, and these are also Holy. Judgement just goes through. It’s not the only example. Envenom, so nature damage, gets immune for 0.5-1s after you press Cloak, but after this you take the damage even if you still have Cloak up.
I’d argue that you immune the magic damage “provides a moment of magic immunity” very briefly, but then while the cloak lingers you only immune spells. Envenom is a physical attack, and deals magic damage, so you don’t immune it. Same with Templar’s Verdict, I think just like Envenom if you Cloak same global you immune it, but after this, you take the hit, because it’s not a spell. But these attacks can be dodged, because, they aren’t spells !
Judgement seem to fall in a third category. It’s not a spell as you don’t immune it with Cloak. But it’s not a physical attack either as it can’t be dodged. It’s kind of like Stormbolt. The undodgeable, unparryable, ranged ability that isn’t a spell, and isn’t a physical attack per se.
This is no longer true. Explaining just below !
Because, as I stated above, Chaos Damage isn’t the same it used to be. It’s a combination of Fire, Frost, Arcane, Shadow, and Nature AT LEAST, but it CAN be more. If you look at Chaos Bolt spell school flags it only is the five school I listed above and is Chaos Damage. And so it cannot go through Cloak. There are some other abilities in the game that are also Chaos Damage but on top of the five schools I mentionned are also flagged as Holy, and Physical, the two remaining school. And these abilties deal damage through Cloak.
I don’t know actually, per definition it should. I guess it’s an exception from Blizz.
fellance also doesnt go through cloak and is chaos dmg
I’ve experienced another bug with duel, a rogue duel me and I could see my healer and she was able to heal me.
Few games later it was on my dps partner and I could heal him.
the thing is, you can also cloak holy stuff, just blizzard somehow made the decition that some stuff that is holy dmg actually sort of counts as physical dmg.
No, it’s just that some abilities, while dealing magic damage, are not spells. So, once you’re out of the very short magical immunity frame, and are instead in the “spell resist” frame, you no longer immune those attacks.
It’s a misconception to believe that Cloak makes the Rogue immune to every magic DAMAGE. This is not true ! It makes the Rogue immune to SPELLS, which is very, very different. Spells almost exclusively deal magic damage so by immuning spells you immune most of the magic damage in the game. But attacks that deal magic damage will hit through Cloak, and can even apply magical debuffs through Cloak.
hmm but theoreticly judgement is a spell and should be immune
i doubt that even blizzard doesnt 100% know whats going on there with chaos spells and attacks etc. it was just some sort of this that theres something like “physical” magic to explain it easier what they did to TV judgement and chaos dmg for dhs. BUt not really sure anymore
Why ? There is no reason for this. It’s like Stormbolt, for instance.
Possible indeed !