Just copy+paste the 10 commandments, they cover most of the bases.
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I see some guilds in there that are rarely, if ever in Stormwind to begin with, and the other is a newspaper guild - How often are they ever going to be in the realm of being involved?
I donât actually use the forums, so I didnât even know this thread existed.
But yes, hi, Iâm Guenh, GM of the Amber Foundation, which is an IC charity. I contributed the idea of community service as a punishment for light crimes to this project, as I believe that with a proper framework, it allows people to do punishments that foster and create more roleplay, rather than restricting it.
Reason I didnât âannounce myselfâ is that I literally did not know about this thread. Even if I did, I donât really see how it matters, you seem to just jump to an ad hominem, which is generally considered a logical fallacy.
As for my guild, as you asked about all the involved guilds: We are neither a guard guild, nor a criminal guild. But we do provide small mini-quest systems that can be used as community service, such as taking care of planters around Stormwind. We are involved because we think having a framework in place that people can, but donât have to use, is a good way of encouraging consistency.
Donât like it when person A steals something and gets a slap on the wrist, but person B steals a similar thing and then gets a bajillion lashes. Feels inconsistent in RP.
As for your question about a newspaper guild, the Lionâs Roar, to my knowledge, often reports about criminal activities, and especially guard work. As well as potential guard corruption. Itâs much easier to tell whether a guard is corrupt when you actually have the rules that the particular player goes by.
If you donât know which rules a player accepts for their character, then itâs hard to say whether they broke any rules, as you can probably imagine.
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Iâd suggest only using this lawbook as a last resort, and only when people donât know what kind of punishment their character should be given. Make things up on the spot otherwise.
Sounds like a great co-lab with the guards, amber and guard colab on quest type initiatives for criminals looking to clear their name with service to the Alliance/Kingdom of Stormwind.
These the guys making an article about Dragon Isles being discovered (they havenât) instantly on the day of the expac reveal?
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So as one of the founding members, youâre not even aware of the project being announced to the server - so thereâs already communication errors happening in the foundation of the project.
Welcome to the forums. One the presentor of a community project goes âyes, this is something a bunch of people have agreed upon, but iâm not at liberty to tell you who they areâ just isnât fair to the people trying to discern if they want to be apart of the project or not.
So youâre neither going to be in breach of the âjustice systemâ or enforcing it but youâre still submitting suggestions about what should happen to those that do - should I complain to you when one of the errent RPers attempts to force this Law Book and rules upon me in future then?
Who is going to monitor the people applying this Law Book? Will people have to record their interaction with guard guilds as proof people are (and call me jaded but it will happen, as it has every time n the past) forcing this on unwilling RPers?
Great, they are still not enforces or breachers of the Law Book
A law book isnât about to change that any time soon
I donât mind guards having their own lawbooks. I mean they arenât canonical and their legitimacy is thus thin at best (read: utterly dependent on the alledged criminal acknowledging their validity), but Iâm not about to tell them what to do or not do.
My mage has overdue library books and the guards will never impede his pursuit for knowledge.
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Weâre sorry Obahar, your mage will be hanged for his crimes against the Library
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So as one of the founding members, youâre not even aware of the project being announced to the server - so thereâs already communication errors happening in the foundation of the project.
Not a founding member, never said that, please do not put words in my mouth.
Welcome to the forums. One the presentor of a community project goes âyes, this is something a bunch of people have agreed upon, but iâm not at liberty to tell you who they areâ just isnât fair to the people trying to discern if they want to be apart of the project or not.
I appreciate Tenebres respecting privacy. That said, the Discord invite is in the OP, so it would have taken you 10 seconds to find out whoâs involved, and discern whether you want to be a part of it.
So youâre neither going to be in breach of the âjustice systemâ or enforcing it but youâre still submitting suggestions about what should happen to those that do - should I complain to you when one of the errent RPers attempts to force this Law Book and rules upon me in future then?
I am submitting options that I believe would make good roleplay, yes. But no, donât complain to me when someone attempts to force this law book on you - Instead, I would suggest just putting them on ignore, and going about your business, as no-one has any right to enforce anything on your roleplay.
Who is going to monitor the people applying this Law Book? Will people have to record their interaction with guard guilds as proof people are (and call me jaded but it will happen, as it has every time n the past) forcing this on unwilling RPers?
I donât even understand what youâre asking there. You can literally just say âNo, I donât agree with thisâ, and then move on with your day.
Great, they are still not enforces or breachers of the Law Book
Donât think anyone ever said they were.
A law book isnât about to change that any time soon
Actually, yes it does. If you know that the Kingâs Footmen have a guild rule to follow that law book, and then you see someone from the Kingâs Footmen do something that doesnât follow the law book, then yea. You know they broke a rule.
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Thats the best
Man just roleplay honestly. Most of us are here for characters to interact with other characters, not to check the rules to see if the rules are being followed.
Weâre hobbyists not lawyers.
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If not, then why is your guild listed as one of the prime members of the community Law Book? Or is anyone allowed to join to voice their desires? Because if so, whatâs to stop cliques from joining and upvoting their own agenda?
Yawn. Another Discord for another community project, iâm in four or five, itâs good manners to introduce yourselves when projecting your desires on a larger community than the one you run.
Wow. This tells me you shouldnât be submitting ideas - this was mentioned already, every law book attempt in the past has ended with guilds black-listing each other because of them, thanks for proving my point?
So your idea of this book is âIf you donât agree with the book, ignore the person trying to use it?â iâm not sure I understand, how does this generate RP at all? This completely destroys RP.
That would require me to memorise what seems to be a book without any solid rules, and rules that can be added or changed on a whim - which require me to join a discord community to keep up to date with. Do you see why this isnât feesible? I have to destroy my immersion in order to be compliant and to take part in RP
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I personally enjoyed the eight hours of Dialythe vs Lorothil. I lament that my screenshots of the exploson of drama at 4am were utterly lost.
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Thank you for clarifying.
Iâve another question, 1/2 other guilds/communities also use a lawbook, how would a standard roleplay encounter go with them when theyâve broken / abused the laws within your own?
If anything it should be a guide for new players and what consequences they -could- face when doing something dubious, rather than a written code of conduct for roleplayers.
If not, then why is your guild listed as one of the prime members of the community Law Book? Or is anyone allowed to join to voice their desires? Because if so, whatâs to stop cliques from joining and upvoting their own agenda?
âPrime memberâ? That would be new to me. But yes, anyone being allowed to join is the whole point of a community-driven law book, I believe.
Yawn. Another Discord for another community project, iâm in four or five, itâs good manners to introduce yourselves when projecting your desires on a larger community than the one you run.
Then just donât join. I donât think Tenebres should have to list every member on that server.
Wow. This tells me you shouldnât be submitting ideas - this was mentioned already, every law book attempt in the past has ended with guilds black-listing each other because of them, thanks for proving my point?
If my stance of âno-one can force roleplay on youâ disqualifies me from submitting ideas, then I think our opinions are too different to find a common denominator.
So your idea of this book is âIf you donât agree with the book, ignore the person trying to use it?â iâm not sure I understand, how does this generate RP at all? This completely destroys RP.
No, if you donât agree with the book, you literally have an IC out written into the book. My idea is: If you donât agree with any rules that someone has set up, you do not have to follow them. Only you have agency over your character.
That would require me to memorise what seems to be a book without any solid rules, and rules that can be added or changed on a whim - which require me to join a discord community to keep up to date with. Do you see why this isnât feesible? I have to destroy my immersion in order to be compliant and to take part in RP
You donât need to memorise anything if youâre not a part of the Lionâs Roar IC in this specific case. Honestly, if youâre not a guard or a reporter, there really is no point in memorising it. Just donât do that kind of RP if you donât want to do it.
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If you donât like the project, just move on. No one is forcing you on it and if someone does, its an issue of that player.
Idea of this project here, on the forums, is to spread awareness about it. Those who like or support the idea, can join and contribute. Those who donât - donât. Itâs simple as that.
So far it looks merely that you donât like this project, based on your view/opinion/previous experience, so you bash against it for what reason? You voiced your concerns, fair enough, but it doesnât mean itâll just shut down. Itâs been explained multiple times already of why and what.
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I agree.
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