You talking about that guy that sold acc or what?
why would green orcs fight magâhar orcs though, they are allies.
unless youâre going solely by skin color, and if thatâs the case, guess what, green orcs fight other green orcs too. its not restricted to the past in draenor, it happened on azeroth too, hello? burning blade, shadow council, blackrock clan? all green orcs that thrallâs horde are actively fighting against. (and thereâs more)
Not him,
Zeuzo the rogue did sell his acc. Made a new one, got glaives again and sold the second one also lol.
Psst, said his name because he plays under a different one so no naming there but the one iâm talking about uses the same name soâŚ
Well, technically, the first green orcs were those corrupted by Fel Magic, and they did Battle the MagâHar, who resisted GulâDans attemps at âconvincingâ them, at which point everyones favorite spikey-hunchback-guy decided to wipe them out.
Luckily, and to paraphrase Warhammer 40k: The Planet broke before the MagâHar did 
okay point taken, but surely you can see mine when i point out that green orcs fight other green orcs, and have done so forever, right?
it wouldnât be lore-destructive at all.
maybe you could make an argument for taurens fighting other taurens being unfriendly to the lore, but even then we got the Darkcloud boys whose chieftan (chieftess?) were responsible for Cairneâs death after rigging a duel between him and garrosh by poisoning garroshâs weapon.
troll tribes are exactly the same as the orcs, theyâve been fighting each other forever mostly for territorial gain and because âMy god = better than yours, hereticâ.
every single race in the game, including the alliance races have in-game lore concerning them fighting amongst themselves. so it wouldnât at all be ridiculous to use that as reasoning for them fighting between themselves.
and moreover, the issue here is the god awful queue times which needs to be fixed in some way, shape or form. its more important to keep the playerbase active and engaged than allowing it to be reduced over some restrictions based on lore.
His other character was 4th and there were 6 A teams vs 4 H teams in europass ( my bad)
I can agree that times change but if you look at the history back then, some things should be questioned if maybe just maybe ppl arenât underestimating and overestimating some things.
NO merc no nothing you decided to roll on the carebear realm and people keep joining Blizz little babies so stuff merc mode up where the sun dosnt shine you want healthy pvp you reroll alliance so we are even⌠being ahead by design is a bad design for bad gamers.
alright, iâll just go ahead and abandon my main which i have farmed most of my bis gear on, the artifact i collected in the form of hand of ragnaros, all my alts and all my resources in the form of the gold i have, not to mention iâm just gonna abandon all my friends and guildies, so i can start over from scratch on a level 1 character on a loser-meta faction who is going to be a race i donât find aesthetically pleasing⌠just so i can queue for bg faster.
5head.
where were you people when horde players of the same degenerate mindset said âgot a problem with AV design, donât like being ganked (p2)? just roll horde lmaokekwâ.
Such a shame that old players from ally side who played competitevely donât come out to stirr some sense into this âby designâ flawed logic.
Well, both sides are full of hypocrites, any news?
I honestly believe top pserver players over old players in terms of tbc knowledge
Sure thing, do your research with that but do it.
Be aware though, you might also hear " perception is broken asf" or âdwarf priests are so opâ .
It is going to be fun when the ally pvp teams will make opinions after playing and seeing the new metas.
I said after some time because unlike âkeyboard warriorsâ they will learn what goes and doesnât and how to play against certain racials.
I always start new at new expansions. I think i kept my char once, and after a month or two i decided that i wanted something new and started over again on another server.
Attachment to your character is on you, not on blizzard.
Why are you talking to your self on the forum?
ââMe transfer faction idea stupid no wantââ â ââHim make transfer for play game, very smart man idea, zugââ
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Reasoning
It all just comes down to actually wanting to play the game. Nobody wants to wait a 1.5 hour queue for a single battleground and nobody can deny that. No, Itâs not comparable to wanting LFG and Itâs not fair to tell us to go back to retail, I really like TBC⌠I just want to actually be able to PVP in it, which is why I and you rolled on a PVP server.
Gatekeeping changes and understanding the benefits of implementation
I don't care how butt-hurt people are over being ganked in P2 and being ganked now, as countless people have said, this the only real way to gain honor as horde unless you have time and/or want to queue for 1.5hr (and that's assuming you win). This change would reduce the amount of World PVP farming and benefit the alliance as well.Faction Imbalance
I agree there's a huge faction imbalance, but I disagree that allowing players to queue into the same faction would take anything but a small minority of alliance (that was only there for the queue time) away, and I completely disagree with "the only reason to be alliance is for the queues" when alliance is known for not PVP'ing as much as horde.Clarification
Just to clarify, when I say same faction BG I mean exactly how RBGs and Arena work, is it really lore breaking if these systems already existed in the older versions of the game?I really do think allowing players to queue into the same faction has such a minimal effect on the rest of the game.
What I disagree with
Mirroring racials
I completely disagree with the idea of changing racials or mirroring them (this has huge game-wide effects that can be meta defining for PvE and PvP and would ultimately change the game).Mercenary mode
I also disagree with the idea of mercenary mode, I see this the same as RBG style except my character is suddenly a gnome unless I would want to wait a 1.5 hour queue, I don't want to be a gnome - that's why I chose horde.I do understand that this is seen to bring more to the alliance - but is it really? Theyâre still horde, you canât interact with them after the battleground, they donât affect your economy, they donât affect your queue times.
Why It's unfair
I understand some can see this as a player made issue, and in many ways it is (although boosting would have had an effect on this), and I completely understand that having horde reroll alliance would reduce queues but here's why this mindset is unfair and too optimistic.You cannot expect such a huge majority of the horde playerbase to reroll alliance after arleady having:
- All there friends / guild on horde
- Achievements, legendaries, gear and characters on horde
Itâs so unfair to ask someone to completely abandon their characters for this, who would want to do this? The majority of people would just quit the game.
FOTM Rerollers
My understanding of it
I do understand that the horde has had a lot of rerollers for TBC. A lot of things have effected this and some examples are:- Blood elves
- FOTM rerollers
- Boosting enabling FOTM rerolling more
Although I can sit and argue that a LOT of the alliance racials are insane for PvP (e.g. Gnome for warrior, Dwarf for priest and other classes, human vs stealth), the player-base is aware that the horde racials are stronger in more aspects of the game and less niche.
FOTM Rerolling - WOTTLK
The playerbase has to understand that this is 2021, although I love the old game and have fond memories of it, the playerbase is not the same. Everybody is more aware of what's best for them and most people do not like to "intentionally make their character worse".I fear that in WOTLK we will see a huge majority of FOTM rerollers transfer to the Alliance, especially if Blizzard is planning to add a "Frozen Path pass" or something like the "Dark Portal Pass", I mean why wouldn't they? They had already added it for TBC. This makes me support the idea of RBG style battlegrounds being implemented even more, why would I want to reroll alliance just to be faced with the same problem in a year, but this time I have to lose all my new progress to go back to the horde?
Free one-way Faction Changes
I do think a free one-way Faction change could be very beneficial for this, and lower queue times by a huge margin, but there's a few problems with this...- You would have to move all of your characters to the Alliance, TBC doesnât support having horde and alliance on the same account
- If this service is free, how do Blizzard control the amount of players that transfer? This could very likely result in the service being paid only.
- Is the idea of having the service free until the H/A alliance ratio is 50/50 fair? What if youâre one of the last few to transfer, and your friends didnât make it.
- What if not enough people change?
- How would this affect the economy?
- How would it feel as a player of the Horde to suddenly lose population? Some may feel as if the game is dying.
Thereâs a lot to think about when implementing changes, some can have such a huge butter-fly effect.
Sorry if thereâs some wild structure in this response, I think I got a bit carried away 
I really hope Blizzard does atleast something about queues, even if some people have a grudge against the horde Iâm sure everyone can understand that is ultimately frustrating to wait 1.5 hour for a queue and that nobody intended for the queues to be this long.
actually is 1-60secs Q
Mabe reroll and enjoy
yyy right
why did blizzard gave seal do allianceâŚhuh?
It just has to give the OPâs like WOTF and BL also stun resist and we good
Not sure, ask them. Probably because there was such a huge numerical advantage to going Horde paladin for all aspects of the game and in every scenario it was better to be a blood elf.
Even as a horde Iâm not phased by this change, I think it was good for the game and it doesnât really bother me at all - but thatâs just my opinion on it.
Whereas the horde paladin seals gave a clear undeniable advantage in all aspects of the game the racials do not, there are many alliance racials that I listed in the above post that are meta / considered to be the best in many scenarios.
Theyâre also âracialsâ, part of the design of the original game and having them unique is what makes them special to many, changing them wouldnât really result in balance, thereâs ALWAYS going to be a FOTM pick - their original design was to make racials be unique and niche, and for many of them this is still true.
Itâs really the community that determines how much âvalueâ a racial would bring them, and Itâs usually dependant on the type of content they do.
Some examples are:
- Night elf (Shadowmeld) for base sitting bgs, for drinking/eating in stealth)
- Gnome (Escape Artist) for breaking roots as a warrior
- Human (Perception) for fighting stealth classes
- Dwarf (Stoneform) for immuning poisons, bleeds, etc.
- Undead (WoTF) vs Warlocks (a TBC meta choice).
- Orc vs stuns
I appreciate you not caring that people put countless hours into their character, have friends on the horde, and simply chose the races because blizzard gave them the choice. But saying âjust rerollâ isnât really productive, Iâve already explained why the majority of players do not want to, if you fail to read and understand this then what else should I say?
I am sure that they are really good in some mu, but i am warlock main, umdeads counter me so much that its sad
so, instant cats dots to bait cloak, survive through it with healthstone, bait their kick with immolate and if they kick, then cast all shadow spells.