So some time ago “lore-masters” of the AD forum engaged in a heated argument with me regarding the Darkfallen. When I was saying that in my opinion and according to the xxx-pedia materials the race of the elves in Icecrown was the vampiric Darkfallen/Undead elves, while the San’layn was more of a clan/spec name which did not reflect the nature of these elves but rather their occupation and loyalties… everyone kept saying that I was talking nonsense and it’s 100% a race name and so on. How the great “San’layn roleplayers” were quick to please the crowd and disown me for my seemingly neutral belief.
And now in the new expac we are going to have a San’layn speciality for all Death Knights, meaning that it’s not a thing limited to one race, let alone being that race. What is your argument now? I wonder.
guys I cant wait to pick the Keeper of the Grove hero talent tree and suddenly become a son of Cenarius on my druid, just like they showed it on Blizzcon
Jokes aside, or rather, explaining the joke, these specializations aren’t really opening up a concept to anything whatsoever. They are making visuals based on these concepts and naming them after them, as most of the visuals they are named after were already present.
They are themed after certain things, but that doesn’t mean that these concepts they’re based after are suddenly all-races. Orcs can’t suddenly become mountain-thanes, draenei can’t become Deathstalkers of the Forsaken, dwarves can’t become Shado-Pan so on.
However, one thing that can be done is, using these visuals to represent something like that but with different names, like a darkfallen that can use blood magic but isn’t alligned with the Scourge.
don’t shatter my dreams man, I was looking forward to my bipolar gnome hunter becoming a Dark Ranger then turning into a Night Elf Sentinel on a whim every other day and a Worgen Pack Leader each weekend
There has never been confirmation that Draenei are supposed to be present in the Forsaken ranks, however there are many communities that allow a similar concept to exist, where Alliance and Horde races can partake in something similar to what the Forsaken do. So your Draenei Rogue could and can certainly do that.
Sure, the Draenei Rogue can be an amoral sketchy guy, but he will never be a Deathstalker.
Besides, these are the forums. If you’re asking to be validated, you can be entirely certain that everyone will invalidate you from here to kingdom come.
That’s the point, though! You can do something similar to a San’layn, just don’t make it an outright San’layn by that name, just like you can make a Draenei ‘Deathstalker’, just don’t call it a ‘Deathstalker’.
This thread is going to turn into a fest where everyone will act like they’re disagreeing even though we’re all technically agreeing and asking for an apology from the other party, even though that with what you’ve said right here, you’re basically agreeing with the people whom you were arguing with in your last forum thread on that regard.
Saying San’layn is a class or a spec or whatever is the same as saying Scarlets are a class, Or Burning Blade is a class. It isn’t.
If you are San’layn. you are part of the Sect. A faction so to say. The name for the spec is clearly just meant to be a reference and give an idea what it is about whilst poking at some old lore.
In other words, Being San’layn is your affiliation, not your specialization. So this entire discussion is kind of redundant.
Well to be fair I think a lot of people are missing the point that you should take in consideration that the talents in question you have to keep in mind that it’s just a unique case and to be honest you have to understand that in some cases there are sometimes just in fairness some things you have to consider that some people just
The initial argument was that Undead elves have no place in the Horde (let alone the Alliance) because if they are not Dark Rangers that means they are the San’layn, which some people perceive as the name of the race that cannot live peacefully even among the Forsaken. So these people would not allow you to RP any undead elf at all (apart from DR), which I find absurd. This, imo, is a right worth fighting for. That’s why I was delighted to see that the boundaries are being further expanded by Blizzard where even the San’layn are no longer the crazy maniacs of the Scourge anymore.