Stopped losing wars? You only didn’t suffer defeat cuz the rest of the Horde staged a rebellion. That was not your own doing.
I can’t remember Quel’thalas suffer any shortcomings the past 18 years. And according to the aditional lore material the other half of Silvermoon is rebuild by now.
You followed your human commander kill Horde elves twice now in BFA and MOP. That is canon. The high elves are by far the sub race of elves with the least amount of self respect.
And we don’t have to worry about that on the Alliance.
2 of your warchiefs tried to kill you.
Cry more please inferior elf.
you are the one of verge joining the void any moment. We actually have self control and preserved our glorious culture.
And those warchiefs never came close to get us. And if Midnight does us any favors I feel that it is perfect timing to heal all the wounds now. As Lor’themar and our other leaders said is that the Horde gives us strength and we are a nation on the rise.
If anything the whole reasoning Sylvans gave for the war makes the Horde leadership look like somethimg I am not allowed to say on the forums. “We have piece now, but we might not have piece later, so lets start a war so we don’t need piece”.
1st one was so close that you wanted to re-join the Alliance, the 2nd one just threw you into her meat grinder war so she could feed her friend with benefits. Again you are coping hard.
You seem to be offended by the notion of the elves not all being diehard alliance fans like the Silver Covenant ist otherwise you wouldn’t respond to everything I write here.
Its not all that simple, many high elves that separated from the blood elves did so between WC3:ROC and WC3:TFT, before the horde was even a part. For most, it was because Kael’thas tried to take leadership over the remnants of the High elves while he was safely in Dalaran when everything went down in Quel’thalas and elves being elves, some of that took that personal.
There were other reasons like not wanting to contribute to restoring the sunwell because they feel their people had grown too reliant on it through their addiction.
Either way it started with high elves rejecting the blood elves. That was the moment that gave birth to the split.
I know people like to paint the story of Thalassian elves with hero’s defying powers greater then themselves and choosing their own value, but really its just a series of tragedies running their natural conclusion.
The blood elves have found allies in the Horde, no matter what historical event one brings up, this does not change. The high elves have found allies in the Alliance, no matter what historical event one brings up, this does not change. Time still progressed as it did and we have the status quo to deal with, anything else is could’ve/would’ve/should’ve reasoning.
And lastly, if the Legions horde actions makes it make no sense to later join Thralls horde, then the arguement that the Blood Elves wouldn’t join the alliance over Garithos is just as valid.
So whats likely more real then that is that the writers do not want you to think of Thralls horde as the same horde that was controlled by the legion (hell his whole WC3 campaign was about freeing the horde from that legions influence we can’t just pretend that whole campaign didn’t happen) nor do they want you to look at Garithos and go oh this is all humans.
Elf fans tend to forget lore about other races too, they tunnel too much on elf lore and miss the big picutre
Very sad, but very common.
I hardly see Quel’thalas becoming an Alliance friendly state.
True is that Lor’themar was negotiating with Varian during MoP. But that was because Garrosh gradually dismantling the Horde as a whole and turning it into his deranged vision.
So if Horde was to cease to be and replaced by the New Horde then Lor’themar could hardly betray something that was to collapse anyway.
In the end Garrosh only made Horde stronger and Lor’themar became best buddies with Baine and Vol’jin.
Later Blood Elves played a vital role in securing Suramar for the Horde making Alliance look as unreliable as possible.
That little blunder with Alleria at the Sunwell was a Chef’s kiss to that success.
On top of that Sin’dorei and Shal’dorei have a massive project on their heads.
They are busy restoring Nar’thalas Academy to it’s former glory by striking deal with Court of Farondis.
Academy will mass produce a way for ghosts to turn into wisps and move into afterlife, in return Farondis and his people shall leave behind all their knowledge for Sin’dorei and Shal’dorei to inherit.
Combined with what they individually know Nar’thalas will make Dalaran look like kindergarden in comparison.
So yeah. Nightborne replaced humans in hearts of the Sin’dorei completely. And will establish a school of magic that hopefully will not turn into such ungrateful blunder that Kirin Tor made it to be.
I was talking about the void elves. And while sure some of them were high elves before, fact of matter is that the first ones were Blood and got exiled for practicing void magic.
Its not as valid, because Thralls orcs are the same orcs that tried to siege the city, Garrithos was a self appointed ruler (he was the highest ranking member still alive so he took charge) of Lordaeron. So xenophobia applies to all humans, bit nor to all orcs, trolls or undead? Thats why I say it doesm’t make sense. I am not saying that Blood elves shouldn’t be Horde, I am saying that the reason given for them being Horde is BS.
Don’t make me laugh. I am responding to call you out on your lies, gaslighting and selfcontradiction. Also you are unintetionally funny.
Ah I misunderstood that then, fair. They did absolutely get exiled for that yeah because they were considered a threat to the sunwell. Alleria then offered to teach them how to control their powers (as their lack of it caused their transformation to happen as it did) and they joined the alliance by proxy.
We will have to respectfully disagree, if Garithos would have his way not only would a large portion of the remnants of Quel’thalas army be killed and executed, (Kael’thas regiments) so would the last remaining member of the sunstrider family.
Saying such a thing is ok because he would’ve done it to other races too doesn’t make it any less bad, ofcourse its all relative to what Blizzard would’ve written it but if you look at it objectively that could’ve very well have been the end of Quel’thalas if Garithos got his executions in.
Not to forget that he was the leader, and as leader you represent your people, that’s just how leadership works in fiction and reality.
Again, it’s not a tale of heroic heros chosing their allies wisely and their selfworth first, it is a series of unfortionate tragedies playing out their natural path on both sides.
Just when we thought that nobody could top the stupidity of reigniting faction conflict over the Apothecaries gone rogue on everyone including the Horde in the Wrathgate.
It made me to strongly dislike Varian all the way until the end of MoP where he stopped acting as if one side is absolute good and the other absolute evil
Oh after lunch I respond in kind this will be a good day for debate.
Wait a second yesterday having a strong connection to dark magic was pro for the forsaken in your books but for the void elves it’s a con?
The void elves would be Slaves. Undead are immune to corruption
Since when?
I’m pretty sure we can get corrupted plus we can be simply controlled.
A lesser being like arthas controlled us and we only got to break free cause he literally had a mind battle when he merged with nerzul.
Don’t you think there are more then enough beings out there that are stronger then that puny helm that could control us?
No I am simply looking for reasons where Blizzard can’t build up the void elves as the saviors we need at the right moment.
But that’s not fair.
It is void related stuff so the elves that are connected to the void can and should play a role if they don’t it would be super strange
Because when it happens they will use it as argument that we need the alliance and urge us again to question our former loyalties. If we get our own void experts this can be avoided.
Sure let us just pull some void experts from our behinds just so you don’t have to work with the alliance so your loyaltys don’t begin to shake.
If getting help in saving the planet from void destruction makes your loyaltys shake you don’t have loyalty.
Plus we are on the way of factionless pcs anyway
I don’t disagree with this. Again I am not pointing out that what Garrithos did was alright. We are not debating which is worse being wiped out by orcs, trolls, undead or humans. I am pointing out that the xenophobia somehow only applies to humans, even though that the humans we currently have are not from Lordaeron, but it doesn’t apply to the orcs who are the very same that were knocking on their door or the undead that were A) part of the scourge and B) from Lordaeron.