LoL and Dota doesn’t have gear advantages tho.
And high end rating dudes won’t go BGs to play hardcore. They go there to smash heads with eachother and have fun aswell. And to learn new tricks.
Pvp is competitive, in all brackets. The only difference is that pvpers don’t take unrated as seriously, because a loss won’t affect them, as it would in rated.
Theres no bracket in pvp, in the history of gaming, where ppl arn’t being competitive.
You can have fun to, gear up, and then join, why are you comparing moba games to rpgs?
The truth is you just want to put very little effort into the game, so you can have your -fun- in the bg you join once a month, this post is just you trying to ruin the other’s fun with your comunism bullshlt.
That has only been taken care of at the highest ilvls achievable in both. Ie, it was taken care of for rated PVP, not for unrated.
You wanted to see the full picture of ilvls for random BGs, well, here it is - people who only do random BGs will get to 197 while people who do rated PVP or PVE will get to 226, at about the same speed.
You think people who do rated PVP will gear up slowly, but this is not even important. Even if the natural ilvl progression in rated PVP will be slow (it probably won’t, but if), people in this same rated PVP will just do M+ to get ahead.
Exactly. Which will happen nearly immediately. Right on week 2.
First, in order to get 226 via rated PVP, your rating will have to be this high. Second, if you are coming from unrated PVP, yes, you are going to spend half of your time looking for a group, and this is me being charitable.
You seem lost. You said that rated PVP is similar enough to unrated PVP. But this is not the case, one has an auto-queue and the other does not. The difference is huge. Insisting that this difference is negligible is like saying that PVP is similar to PVE because you are playing the same class and are doing spells.
Yes, that’s exactly my point.
I do more PvE and some PvP casually, but still I want to have a place in the game where I can PvP without having a huge disadvantage.
I get crushed in Rated PvP, which is totally fair, as I’m not PvPing enough. But why should unrated PvP also be ruined for me?
Where is the spot for casual PvPers in this game?
Imagine you would queue up in League of Legends for a normal (casual) game and the enemy team has a player that gets a buff that says “All attacks deal 1.5x damage” because he has a high rating in totally different bracket, the ranked queue system.
That’s how WoW PvP feels like. Why would he get a buff like that just for having achieved high ratings in a totally different bracket? You couldn’t even think of something like this in League of Legends, players would be raging so hard.
Cool, if casual PVP has no place in WoW, then casual PVPers will just leave. Have fun.
Seriously, this is the exact same thing we are saying. With changes, casual PVP has no place in WoW. It’s just that we are saying that this is a problem and you seem to be celebrating it.
Did you miss the nature of the change, by the way? It incentivizes high-rated people to do BGs to farm honor for upgrades to conquest gear. In this particular respect things will be worse than before, not better.
Ye but your 226 mythic won’t outmatch a 197ilvl pvper tho.
Theres far to much else coming into play.
It won’t and it can’t happen.
The difference isn’t that huge.
The difference between queueing for unrated vs rated is having a premade, okey.
So you mean that small difference is enough to say pvp and pve is the same because you play a class and cast spell?
Give me a break.
Casual: Playing 1 bg / month, and comes to complain on forums that they get rekt, then tries to ruin the fun for everyone by trying to bring equality, that idiotic concept, into pvp.
LOL, did you do the math? It absolutely will.
The difference is so huge that in games that have both solo queue and team queue, the number of people who do the former is 10x bigger than the number of people who do the latter. Ie, the difference is significant for 90%. As in, remove the solo queue and participation drops 10x.
For your benefit if you havn’t already seen it in the last thread, my mate works at NHS, plays 2-3 hours a week and has 3 kids, he plays arena’s casually.
Now if you could build a viable argument instead warping my words, we might actually get some where. You’re just arguing black is white for the sake of it at this point.
The issue i see, is they want to put less effort in and get the same outcome.
If blizzard does want to put a ilvl cap, then i can’t do much about it.
But i don’t feel like punishing rated players, because unrated doesn’t wanna give a F about the progression in the content they wanna do casually.
I missed typing here as a response lol. Ok bye i guess.
Your “LOL 100>90 MAFS” isn’t applicaple. Did you add in versatility? Did you add in the trinkets +40% ? Did you add the 55% dmg + healing reduction to all pve trinkets in pvp?
Ofc you didn’t. You put as much effort in to your “quick mafs” as you put into pvp.
Ofc they don’t even pvp… i mean, if they did, they would not have this -casual- mentality. They should go play Heroes of the storm, so they can all hold hands and be friends, whatever.
Blizz made the best decision to remove scaling, pvp is fun again. If they want to stop playing, then im sorry, i really enjoy killing ungreard noobs in bgs.
Dude i miss MoP for that. Ppl who just hit 90, during their first BG with like 226k hp.
Thats what my Chaos bolt critted on them.
That was the funniest times in random bgs ever lol. But MoP had pretty bad catch up, atleast this expansion fixes that heavily.
If SL catchup was slow, punishing etc. I would totally understand their complaints.
But when ur max conquest points extends everytime you don’t do conquest related content. Theres no reason to complain anymore.
Ye you might not hit 6/6 rank on that gear. But you could totally hit 3/6 or 4/6 etc.
Which would be much better than trying to gear up to mythic+ then go into a BG lol.
No, it’s not about 1 bg/month, actually I love playing BGs and would play them on a daily basis. What I don’t like is arena and rated bgs.
Still I would like to not fight versus a huge disadvantage when playing non-rated PvP.
Just as the original post stated, you can play hc dungeons and get gear to play that comfortably. You can play mythic raids and get gear to play that content comfortably.
But you can’t play non-rated PvP and play that content comfortably, not happening. That’s sad.
I am happy for your friend but I am not sure what this has to do with anything. You think people are dying to do rated PVP but think that they don’t have time? It’s much simpler. They do not want to do rated PVP because they don’t find it interesting. Because it’s arenas. They would have done rated BGs if there was a solo queue, but we don’t have that.
So, you didn’t do the math. Not surprised. I did, unlike you. And the math isn’t at all what you think it is.
First off, that +40% versa bonus on the two PVP trinkets is there to compensate PVE trinkets. It is barely enough to do that. So, if I get PVE trinkets, all this bonus does is puts PVP players on the same level as myself.
But let’s pretend I won’t get PVE trinkets. Let’s take the item of ilvl 200 but with the +40% versa bonus, and compare it to the same item of ilvl 225. That’s going to be 25 ilvl difference, lower than the real difference of 29, but whatever.
ilvl 200 + PVP bonus: 64 agi, 106 sta, 43 crit, 79 vers + 32 vers bonus = 111 vers.
ilvl 225: 80 agi, 147 sta, 49 crit, 90 vers
So, the PVE item trades 21 vers for 16 agi, 41 sta, 6 crit. Not counting armor. Put that into your Pawn or whatever and you will see that the PVE item is vastly better. Just agi is already more than vers.
I don’t like arenas either, and i still have gear to stomp everyone, what’s your excuse?
Because for the 100000th time, you cannot compare apples and oranges.
stop comparing apples and oranges, they’re not the same.
If you were to even remotely do the same for pve, you’d infuriate everyone and anyone. Imagine if you hit 226ilvl content and you still hit heroic dungeon mobs, equally hard as someone fully geared in heroic dungeon gear.
Because this is what you are asking blizz to do. But for pvp.
You’re saying that rated progression should be useless for any nonrated stuff.
I don’t agree with this. Pvp itself is competitive as hell. And if you’re not being competitive then you’re not gonna win, regardless of gear.
Because these highrated dudes u speak off, will stomp you back to classic, regardless of what they’re wearing.
It gives them an upper edge, ye. But their skill and knowledge, predicting your every move, is gonna stomp you faster, for sure.
You remind me of ESO premade complainers. They complained that premades were the reason they lost every BG, guess what happened after they removed premades? They still got stomped. They got ownd.
One guy running around deleting all of them 1v4.
You are saying that PVP is different from PVE - and everyone agrees - and then you make a direct analogy which you cannot make because they are, as you said, different and get infuriated about it. PVP is different from PVE. So the analogy you are making is NOT what Vasron is asking Blizzard to do. Your analogy does not work. You just continue to walk this in circles.
So you believe. That every pvper out there, swifty, bajheera, soda, venruki, stoopz, all of them knows nothing of this. Snutz aswell, dumb dumb that guy is? pff , doesn’t even know math. In any case, wanna send a link to where you found this item? So i could go check myself aswell. Wouldn’t harm.
Or you don’t think they would raise their voice and say “hey blizz, why the hell is pve gear better than pvp?” I just think that versatility will give pvpers the edge.
And your pve trinkets being very weak.
Or maybe they expected ppl to actually put a minimal effort into conquest gear?
And even yet, getting conquest gear is probably faaaar easier than getting mythic anyway. Atleast for that endgame stuff. You’ll be progressing thru heroic dungeons - raids of all difficulties. While pvpers, even casuals like you ,are working on your conquest. Or could be, rather. Because you don’t wanna put any effort in.
If you cant see the correlation between a casual pvp’er and time invested then this whole thing is just wasted on you. You clearly cant build an argument here, your getting lost at the most basic level of details and refuse to agree on any siutation that does’nt fit within your small bubble.
Ah, you want entry level, solo content as a casual player and be competative against those who put more effort it? Got it.
We are going round in circles here mate and its getting awfully boring. They are developing a system that isn’t tailored to people who play a slither of the content. I dont see this changing any time soon either, do you?
You guys started making analogies and then i started to say, it won’t work because they’re different.
Then i make an example, to just how SILLY your analogy is.