Scrap the rep grind requirement for flying and Allied Races!

[Mojomane-blackhand (Mojomane)]

And now he is “forced” to do irrelevant, timegated content for a race, on a char that he might doesn’t want to play, to unlock a race so he can start playing the character that he wants to play.

@Raiden-stormscale

We are lucky will never listen to casual players like u…

Imagine being 1/9 mythic and calling others casuals.

@anon64609363

God forbid you have to work for it.

There is a big difference between working for your character progression and working for unlocking basic features of an expansion.

@Kelznaard-argent-dawn

Does invincible drop from current raid? No it doesn’t. Does the black temple mog drop from current raid? No it doesn’t. Can you obtain past elite pvp sets? No you can’t .

Cause those are character progression, you’re not required to farm those so that you can start a new character.

Furthermore those aren’t major features of the current expansion.

@Meiri-draenor

Legion reputation and achievements are needed to unlock old alied races, they were added in Legion and were current content then.

And you don’t see a problem with whole RACES being locked behind old, timegated content?

I had friends grind out nightborn allied races who quit after unlocking them because they were burnt out playing a character they don’t enjoy.

@Ronjambo-nagrand

The majority of elitist players from mythic raiding guilds - who have nothing better to do with their time, since they have completed all the current content within two weeks of its release do come here. As is evident by the way the game is tailored more and more to suit those players.

WAT.

No WF raider looks at this forum, it’s one of the worst places for discussion.

And a LOT of mythic raiders don’t spend a lot of time in the game, outside of raiding. Between 2-3 days of raiding, M+ and AP farming(All on 2-3 toons), there is not a lot of time left to do other content.

@Ronjambo-nagrand

What would be fair to all the players would be for raid finder to open first, so that people can learn the fights

LFR isn’t meant to teach you the fights, it’s a difficulty added so the people that have no interest in raiding can see the content while being AFK. (Not meant to be rude, i have no problem with the existence of LFR)
Guilds get curve in week one, and most mythic raiding guilds could clear 3+ mythic bosses in HC week, if mythic would be unlocked. How lame would it be to timegate that content even more, so that we get several weeks of underwhelming raids?

@Ronjambo-nagrand

Now if I go and make another topic about the way the content is released to suit the elitists, you see how fast it is thumbed down.

Cause this is probably the most casual friendly expansion ever.

You get a free HC item every 2-3 weeks, you get normal+ ilvl just from doing solo content (WQs/Weeklys), Azerite knowledge is meant to help casuals/alts catch up.

I hit 120 last week on my monk, after 1 single ID reset i am at 400 ilvl with a neck lvl of 36.

@Ronjambo-nagrand

The only voices which are getting heard, are the ones saying that everything in the game should be made much harder and bound to an overbearing amount of quests and rep grinds.

Harder and rep grinds are two different things.

IMHO the new raid has a great difficulty curve for normal/HC, while most mythic bosses seem a bit undertuned (first “hard” boss is mecha and blockade is 100% undertuned in mythic).

M+ has a good difficulty curve aswell, compared to last season.

The new affix is really PUG friendly and IMHO most people could at least finish +10s if they would want to.

@Dotsoffun-draenor

You don’t enjoy working towards something, go play something else, cause MMORPG’s are not for you. Since the beginning of WoW, there’s been things to work for. From levelling taking months, to achievements taking months, to reputations taking months

And back then the REP rewards were items that progressed your character, not races for new characters.

I would love to play a HM tauren or my monk, but i won’t spend weeks grinding rep doing WQs when i still to farm AP on my main/alts so i can engage in content i enjoy.

I’m ok with things being locked behind a grind, but flying and allied races shouldn’t be. Make it cosmetics and/or good items(But not BiS)

@Dotsoffun-draenor

Do yourself and everyone a favor, avoid Classic. You’re gonna hate it.

Oh, classic was way less grindy than current wow in some aspects.
1 Night of progression takes 40k+ gold per person.
If you want to be competitive in regards to necklvl, you need to spend 2+ hours/day just farming AP.

@Dotsoffun-draenor

3-5 weeks for a rep is much better than 2-3 months for level 1-60, and yet “classic is the best ever”. As I said before, avoid Classic, you’re gonna hate it, since it’s nothing but grinds.

But the leveling is like 50% the gameplay experience in classic while grinding rep/doing WQs feels like a chore.

@Dotsoffun-draenor

So, this should tell you something. You remove Pathfinder and the Allied Race grind, you’ll be adding to that loss. But, from your previous posts, this will probably go over your head, because you have the “I’m right, you’re wrong, anyone who disagrees is a troll” mentality.

Back then all rewards for grinding were relevant to the current content OR cosmetics and the grind was way more bearable. (I love TBCs rep grinding)

You do some dungeons, you get rep.
You do some dailies, you get rep.
No pointless flying around the map just to kill 1 mob and then fly to the other half of the island to kill 1 more mob.

@Yolandass-outland

Oh boohoo I have to work for something in my life blizz why you don’t give me stuff for free that’s how you sound to people so here’s some advice if you want something in your life work for it like the rest of the world the time you wasted here crying about it you could probably get exalted by now honestly

Look how hard i worked doing WQs while being brain AFK watching netflix.

Thats how you sound.

@Dotsoffun-draenor

Not to mention, you’re fine with spending Weeks/months to get a useless title that means nothing, but don’t like the idea of having to work for something that gives you a completely different game perspective?
You understand how stupid that sounds, right?

And again, he is fine with cosmetics being locked behind a pointless grind, not key features of an expansion.

@Dotsoffun-draenor

“I don’t mind grinding months for a useless title that gives me nothing, but to heck with you trying to make me grind 2 weeks for a completely new race!”

I don’t mind grinding months for a cosmetic or item but i mind RACES being locked behind grinds, especially grinds for old content.

I haven’t played in legion, am i supposed to take 1+ hours/day to grind a key feature of an expansion?

What if i wanted to play an allied race when i came back to WoW?
Should i level a character, grind for nearly a month and then level a new character, that i actually want to play?

I’m all for “work hard, if you want something” but certain key features of the game should be free for all.
As it currently stands, gear is basically free for everyone while actual races are locked behind an insane grind(And for some races a grind for old content).

[Ronjambo-nagrand]

@Mojomane, thanks

@Dotsoffun, see man, that^ is how to disagree with people without it being classed as trolling. Mojo also disagreed with some of my points there, but he didn’t flame me for them.

[Raiden-stormscale (Raiden)]

@Mojomane-blackhand

Imagine being 1/9 mythic and calling others casuals.

Imagine having almost 0 achievement and calling others casuals.

[Ronjambo-nagrand]

@Raiden-stormscale

Imagine having almost 0 achievement and calling others casuals.

Imagine posting 3 times to a topic, even posting after having 1 post removed, and still not contributing anything of substance. You find yourself funny, it is weird.

[anon64609363]

@Mojomane-blackhand

There is a big difference between working for your character progression and working for unlocking basic features of an expansion.

And that basic feature was created to require work to get.