Hey guys i was wondering is it only PVP users who choose Vers (to be highest secondary stat) or are there any Tank/s Heals or DPS that find it much more usefull ?
and if so does it relate to racials too ?
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Mainly pvp but some specs like some tanks and outlaw rogues tend to prioritise it. The thing with stats in WoW is theyre all valuable at some amount to everyone. The more of a given stat you have, the more valuable others become relative to that stat.
We don’t have a huge amount of stats right now but as things go forward, everyone will be wanting a bit more Vers just because they have so much of the other stats.
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I like running Delves with plenty of vers now that I’m a half-decent ilvl as it takes the edge off the damage spikes.
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at tanks: brewmaster and dks using it as highest atm for bears its also very very good
in general u can always take vers (besides pala which takes mastery)
Outlaw rogues 2nd stats in PVE are haste 10-12% >vers=crit > haste > all tertiary stats > mastery.
Scaling off vers in pve kinda sucks NGL
I can see that this has some benefits but it also makes them less interesting.
I wish stats affected how we played more (although they’d need better ways of choosing which stats you had (more gems, reforging etc).
I would like that some specs would be slower 2 hander big hitter type playstyle who would go for Crit.
Or faster dual wielding 1h who would choose Haste.
But at the moment I don’t even look at secondary stats anymore.
Well specs do prioritise different things based on aspects of their design and interactions unique to them. It’s just not quite as blatant as what you said, some examples with my own spec being that because my main resource spender is a DoT it scales with haste twice, as more haste is both more dot ticks and more resources which means more dot casts.
Some specs also have special interactions when they crit with spells, increasing the value of crit, cooldowns that get reduced by haste, or masteries like enhance which increases the chance for storm strike to chain off itself changing how the gameplay feels.
There’s even specs like MM hunter which really dislike certain stats because of how they’re designed. There’s a lot of variety currently even if what the stats actually do baseline is pretty simple.
I think I’m just out of touch, I’ve not really cared about secondary stats since MOP. Shaman had Mastery build and Crit Build back then.
I sometimes look at Icy Veins to see the stat priority but without reforging or lots of gem slots it doesn’t really matter. I wear the gear I get, which isn’t much as I’m not M+ing etc.
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Vers is good in general for every spec, both offensively and defensively, the issue is that depending on what type of mastery the spec has, it falls behind really bad.
Tanks love vers because it makes them tankier, on the other hand Warlocks hate it because mastery gives them way more damage and they are tanky baseline so they don’t need the damage reduction.
Besides tanks, only a few specs want to stack vers and it’s mostly optional, to name a few: Disc Priest, R.Shaman, R.Druid (for m+ only), Outlaw Rogue and maybe Monks.
As for racials the only one which can have a negative impact is Mag’har, since stacking vers and getting a random vers buff can lead to diminishing returns, the other racials are 100% neutral.
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Yeah both major enh builds atm lean towards haste mastery, but again that’s because of specific interactions with talents / based spells those stats have for enhance shaman. The easiest way to prioritise secondary stats when gearing is on jewellery, since delves have a ring and neck for every stat combo you’ll have a lot of options available to you after a while.
Addon called true stat value or something shows when the stat has started go into diminishing value and how much, and at that point it becomes more valuble in bigger picture to invest in other stats than keep putting more on the stat x that is already showing 20% on diminishing value, so like were said here one gains more from investing on other stats instead at some cases
To an extent yes, but ultimately relative value has less to do with DRs than just total amounts of each stat. We’re not really anywhere near stat DRs right now.
Yea, wont be in this season. I said it related this what I saw and agreed with in case it were uncertain and I mentioned this addon for it called true stat value or whatever the name of it.
Yes, this isn’t so much a wow specific thing as just a fact of mathematics.
19x3 is a much bigger number than 20x2, to give an extremely over simplified example. Usually we’re using numbers like 1.2 and 1.03 though for WoW stats.
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Sorry Im become lost what is there to disagree or argue about this, so far we have been in agreement however and saying the same thing. I dont think there is anything that need to be debated over. I have no clue what you would wish disagree or disbute with me here but I have to quit it on my end as I dont see the point of debating it.
iwas sure pala need Haste most of all xD
Demo’s second best secondary stat is vers, was the best one season ago.
It wasn’t a disagreement, more a clarification.
There was nothing to clarify atleast for me. Theres no need explain basic cocepts as this to me.
i did started to use it on monk brew master and it helps a lot with dmg and def it seems + mastery and i am amost immortal