Selfish comunity

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Phase 6, everyone has rank 14, naxx gear 1 week after it released, etc.

People still running AQ20 / ZG for themselves or friends or guildies.

Me, playing as ret/prot paladin. Wat can go wrong right?

Well, everything, let me explain.

I’ve spent few weeks to get to rank 10 and gear myself with pretty nice set, which gives you plenty of spell power and other usefil stats. I’ve done few MCs and Ony runs (no t2 head so far). I have HoJ and crit trinket from LBRS.

But, nobody wants to invite ret pala into ZG or AQ. Yes, our dps is low, around 250-300 when warriors dealing around 500-700. But 1 extra pala in raid will bring useful buffs, auras and judgements. Nooo. Instead, i always receiving whispers “no, it is meme spec” or just silent ignores.

Ok, i thought, i’m gonna make prot spec and sneak into raids as offtank for trash and ads job. But guess what? Ofc! There only warrior tanks in raids, none of other tanks are considered to be useful to even bring them into raids.

Don’t get me wrong. I always been parsing hoe during TBC, WotLK and MoP. Always played capable tank classes and specs, but i never rejected “wrong” specs in my raids.

Few months before TBC, but i can’t get into the raid to get at leas adequate geared. Only way to gear myself is to host raids and do HRs, rejecting “meme specs” as everyone else doing nowadays. Please, stop it.

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Mime the heal bitxh and get gear

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Horde have the same issue with Shamans, no one wants a non resto shaman in their group.

Both Ret and Ele/Enh steal loot from better DPS such as Warriors and Rogues and for Shamans they steal items from Mages and Locks + they provide nothing for the group.

Both Shamans and Paladins are top tier healers in 60 and they are the worst DPS at the sametime.

Asfaik prot pala have no taunt yet and this is why no one wants them. A prot warrior or a feral druid are bis MT and OT for both Horde and Ally.

No one want’s to spend unneccesery time in a raid or dungeon in Vanilla because you can steamroll them faster then it takes forming a group.

They adress all these issues with TBC making all specs viable and good in raids.

Inviting a Ret Paladin is like inviting a lvl 58 to a pug raid, they will perform equally.

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There’s no “ret/prot” paladin spec in vanilla. Paladin is healer in vanilla. You can play ret to quest and you can play prot to be inferior tank in some dungeons (I mean, you’re better than hunter pet at least), but that’s about it.

I have full T2 set with good offsets and good shield and weapon. I have R14. I tried to tank ZG. It just doesn’t work. There’s no taunt which is required on some bosses. There’s not enough threat generation to keep R14 warriors in bay (and once they aggro, you can’t do nothing about it). I can tank some stratholme, just don’t forget grenades for ranged pulls, because Paladin is so crippled.

I also have retri set, which is far from BiS, but not bad either. I have Sulfuras Leggo. I also tried retri. It’s pathetically bad. Our raid literally laughed at everyone below me in DPS meter, I was the threshold.

Just heal. Or wait for TBC. Things will change.

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Paladin has one useful spec in end game raiding, and you refuse to spec it for some reason.

If you insist on playing Ret/Prot, just wait for TBC, you are gonna replace any 20 man raid gear by level 65 in dungeon anyway

Why not host raids without HR and accept meme specs? :wink:

Edit: In all seriousness tho, if you wanna get some raiding done before prepatch, just spec Holy, wear some blue or crafted gear and have a blast. Any pug raid with less than 3 pala healers will auto invite you for your blessing alone.

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The community is partly to blame, everyone wants to just rush through, spending as little time as possible in certain places of the game.

But also vanilla is just flawed in some aspects of the game. Only X specc is playable while playing Y class. Bad design. Not much you can do about it at this point.

At this point just wait for TBC:) Its just better in multiple ways.

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If someone pulls aggro off of you, how are you gonna get it back a prot pally?
Taunt? Lmao.

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well, you know that you could spam blessing to get lot of threat ? or its somehow removed now ?

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It is not removed, but it is not a lot of threat. 114 threat per player, divided by the number of targets. If you manage to get 20 warriors and you’re tanking one boss, that’ll be good enough. But you won’t be tanking anything with 20 warriors in raid. And for your average ZG raid composed from 2-3 players of every class, and adds around, that will not be good threat.

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I pop shadowform and mindblast once.

I am now the tank.

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This works well to pull the zombies on Gluth off the healers if you have 20 warriors, and maybe even hold a secondary target as off tank while a real tank holds a skull, but is not nearly enough to hold a single target against a world buffed raid, let alone in a pug with 5 warriors if you also have 4 mages rolling an ignite for example. It’s a neat trick, but very niche. And once you lose aggro for any reason you just screwed x people out of their wbuffs and 100g in consumes.

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didnt have issue hold onyxia back in classic classic :smiley:

but yes, had few mages there so threat was nice

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As a paladin player i agre that looking for a pug for a raid is a pain if you are ret or prot.

But we are only a buff bot if we dont heal. Almost the only way as non healing paladin is to join a guild and playe the way they want.

The biggest problem i have whit it is the game force you to heal, but in the same time it forces you to playe in dresses untill T3.

Paladins are fun to playe but in the same time the hardest to balance. They made us so crappy and dident balance any gear for it.

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Same goes for Druids - all sets (*) have healer stats. Feral Druids (DPS or Tanks) run around in random non-set drops.

(*) Yes, the Dungeon set 2 / T0.5 and the PvP set offer “jack of all trades” stats, but there is not one +hit on them, forcing you into Truestrike Shoulders and the like. So, “master of none” indeed.

Well, at least the Bear has Growl;)

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The community here is one of the worst imho. I’m an altoholic so I’ve geared 3 characters (Mage, Druid and Priest). On my mage I’ve never had any problems getting in to groups because I did the PvP grind and I only have to mention I’m R14 and will get a near instant invite to raid groups whereas on both my Resto Druid and Disc Priest I just grinded my pre bis but guess what I was told by many raid leaders that my gear wasn’t good enough for ZG/AQ20 on multiple occasions I pointed out that it’s ZG/AQ20 but it seems a lot of these clowns expect T2+ to run these raids designed to give catch up gear.

Now my characters are geared the only character that gets passed up is my Resto Druid as people are so min/maxed focused so I find it hard to get a spot in AQ40+ content when in reality I’d outheal whatever mouth breather PuG Shaman they bring in instead.

Having said that though if you want to play a “meme spec” you need to find a guild that will have you, you’ll have no luck in getting picked for PuG’s as I said I had it hard enough gearing 2 healers who were the “correct” spec.

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Ret spec is dead in vanilla PVE. You can spec ret/recon go BG’s have fun.

Prot spec has very limited use in raiding, and generally having prot pala requires raid to adapt and play differently (than with wars/dru on off/tanks), taking into account paladin class limitations and strengths.
Prot paladins shine in a number of raid encounters but they are generally rare, require quite a specific and challenging to get gear to maximize their SPD and being considered a luxury available for raiding guilds with static rosters. And even in that case prot pala gonna be in heal spec most of the time.

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TBC is our Time to Shine my Brother :>

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Yeah but only if you know how to totem twist quickly :wink: Basically everything the solo enh or ele shaman will do while clicking his chain lightning and bolt

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Stop being so EGO and pick the best spec that benefits the raid.
We are not your slaves, and we have no interest in boosting a garbage Ret/Prot Paladin so that he can take Thunderfury or any other top tier items. You still not gonna do enough threat nor damage and you’ll hold back EVERYONE else who wanna play their class to the max. It’s just stupid and extremely selfish - and here you are talking about the community being selfish, just take a look in the mirror first mate.

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Beside they dont got a taunt, they also is extremy dependent on spellpower. good luck to find plate whit spellpower.

I have tankedva few times as ret in dungeons, but i only did it becouse i was forced to it and i know the two who played warriors so they played to help me.

I think it could be fun now in TBC to trye to tank in dungeons but my dps brain have to relearn :slight_smile: