Not sure that makes sense, considering how Sethrak and Vulpera have always been enemies, not allies.
The Sethrak and the Zandalari aren’t allies. The fact they helped each other militarily does not mean they formed an alliance.
And the Night Elves helped the Nightborne free their city, and a Night Elf saved the whole race of the Nightborne from extinction by creating the Arcandor. And yet all it took the Nightborne to hate Night Elves and kill them was a mean (yet valid) concern made by Tyrande. Hey, maybe we can do that! Let’s have Kiro say something mean to Vorrik so they join the Alliance.
You’re grouping the sethrak as a singular group. The Vulpera are allied to the faithful sethrak. It was the faithless enslaved the vulpera. The vulpera and sethrak worked together to defeat them.
They share a pantheon, a city and continent. The zandalari and vulpera are horde. They are indirectly allies.
This is so dumb it doesnt even require a counter argument
Indeed, because the faithful Sethrak are a also traditional enemy of the Vulpera.
They’re not, no. You’re confusing help with alliance. The Horde and the Alliance keep fighting together every other expansion against a greater evil and that doesn’t mean they’re allies.
Personally I don’t think they should be neutral, but if they end up being neutral I’d be okay with that too!
Mmmm, I fail to see the logic there, though? It takes much more effort and time to start a brand new race from scratch than using existing assets and models and animations from (NPCs).
And Sethrak in particular have already all of those animations developed, btw. It was datamined back when BFA was launched, they even have the HoA animation developed already. Only playable races + Sethrak have such an animation.
Thank you so much for your suggestions and feedback
Alliance wants part of Zuldazar then Horde gains parts of Kul’Tiras and if that doesn’t happen, Night Elves only regain a quarter/half of Ashenvale (depends on how much the Alliance gets Zuldazar). The Eastern part is fully Horde.
That’s a fun one, cause even races like Saurok have a heart of azeroth animation despite being introduced in MoP, so it must’ve been retroactively added.
But yeah, I’d love sethrak to be a thing, was hoping big time for arakkoa myself. But while I agree sethrak is probably the currently most asked for, theres a bunch of others people would like playable too.
Would be nice to have a quick workaround either way like just giving people access to easier npc model swapping for some specific races (overhauling how prisms work).
Hard pass i think we should remove the allied races as they are and add high elves to the alliance and ogres to the horde then roll all the allied races features into the basis races
The thing is that the NPC races like saurok, fully share the rigs of the worgen. And the new animations was thus extremely easy to add. While the sethrak have an unique HoA animation and so far are the only npc race to have that. How ever the sethrak do lack several player emotes/animations, even if they have more than the average NPC race.
Blood elves has no reason to join in the horde, when the orcs and trolls destroyed much of quel’thalas in the second war, but they were added to the red faction as a fan service to asian public that didn’t want to play creepy races in the horde
Alliance owns all of north west Kalimdor.
So if Alliance wants more, they need to surrender some of their lands and night elf lands are obvious or Horde moves into areas of Kul’Tiras.
And the Horde owns all of north-east Eastern Kingdoms, which is the entire Quel’Thalas region. Most of the west Lordaeron is still being held by the Horde as well.
So no, the Horde are indeed not entitled to anything.
That said, the Alliance could still get a small faction of sethrak who would join them in Stormwind, which would leave the majority of the race neutral still and keep Vol’dun in the hands of the Horde/Neutral. After all, the vulpera who joined the Horde are merely a single caravan, not the entire race.
If you think Darkshore is all of north west Kalimdor, sure. It’s the only Alliance territory in mainland Kalimdor, the rest is either Horde or Contested.
Quel’thalas, weakened as it was had it’s south (ghostlands) that was practically scourgeland, the scar was just pumping out undead infinitely where every corpse that died on it just keept rising again.
Lordaeron was mostly already completely destroyed by the scourge and later wrestled free by Sylvanas. Sylvanas who was the ranger general of the blood elves in life supported Quel’thalas with forsaken to help them tame Quel’thalas. If it hadn’t been for Sylvanas and the Forsaken. That 90% dead to scourge for blood elves would have crept up to a complete wipeout of the race itself.
Sylvanas then threatened to pull back all her support from the ghostlands unless the blood elves joined the horde, Lor’themar knowing that would have been a death sentence for his people complied.
So to recap;
Their ranger general in life was at the head of one of the horde factions.
Nearly all diplomacy was between Sylvanas and Lor’themar, or Sylvanas and the other horde leaders in getting them to except the blood elves.
No more humans nearby to help them reinforce their lands, forsaken have taken up any space between them and the nearest surviving human kingdom.
Strongarmed into joining the horde or perishing by a ranger general that at the time still had a lot of respect.
Very likely that the whole Garithos debacle would have made the blood elf leadership hesitant to work with humans again so soon, but even if this is not the case then the above all still counts.
I know that there are a lot of players that wished Blood Elves to be an alliance race and constantly claim that they should have been because they look more humanlike but the lore as it stands does not back that up at all.
Sethrak are at best a background race like taunka or tuskarr
The point is that lore isn’t a Bible set in stone. Lore was bent and created to make it so Blood Elves joined the Horde and save a faction that was dying back then.
It makes sense on more fronts then one, if they joined the alliance the only other faction nearby would still have been Sylvanas.
One thing that wasn’t changed to fit as the lore is who controlled what land and the casualties that had fallen, the only human kingdom was still far to the south, with Sylvanas sitting inbetween them and their nearest ally. Which then leads me back to the whole being strongarmed into joining the horde.
Just because we can change the lore, doesn’t mean we should at every given moment.
If you’re going to keep peeling layers from an onion, at some point there’s just not going to be an onion left to peel from.
I don’t know either, I thought the taunka would come as a customization option at some point but it never did, in spite of that however, they had a background role in the story where the highmountain were involved in securing one of those pillars of creation I think they were called.
For blood elves, we actually played a campaign featuring their story just before world of warcrafts starts.
I disagree, it never made sense, and it still doesn’t make sense. Whether there are other factions nearby or not is completely irrelevant. In Vanilla, Night Elves and Undead were completely isolated and only had Horde / Alliance territory nearby respectively.
I’m not sure if you realize that none of that matters to devs when it comes to adding a new race to a faction? They literally will bend the lore in order for it happen. Look at the Nightborne joining the Horde because Tyrande was “mean” to them.
I wholeheartedly agree, which is why Blood Elves and Undead were a mistake as playable options in my opinion. Along with many other lore changes and playable races we received these last years.
Nevertheless, nothing in lore should be changed for Sethrak to join the Alliance (or Horde).
Or Vulpera…
It’s completely unfathomable to me how players today don’t realize that the Horde received a brand new race while the Alliance received a subrace of Gnomes.
