For night elves and undead being isolated, the undead had plenty corpses to rise in the wake of the scourge plague taking over Lordaeron, numbers were not an issue for them.
Night Elves had simply retained their ancestral forrests, they had already had to capitulate their own territory to the orcs in warcraft 3 campaigns, the rest they held onto.
Blood elves however, had 90% of their people genocided and with a hostile faction to the south, they’d just be dead. Sylvanas would have no reason to keep Ghostlands propped up and Quel’thalas would be razed to the ground by feral scourge.
Yet that’s what happened, so clearly it did. I’m glad that back then they still seemed to think about these sorts of things. I’m sure part of it was also to help save horde numbers but to claim it does not line up with the lore is fantasy.
Yes, nowadays they do bend the lore to fit whatever. First Bolvar forced the Ebon blade under threat to be his lackeys then the moment he loses his seat those same Ebon vote him to be their leader. Let me just respond to this with; I am glad they did not.
I’m glad you seem to agree with me that it would have been lorebending tho (I jest, you probably don’t feel this way, but it was low hanging fruit)
If you also believe that Tyrande being mean was the only reason for Nightbourne to join the blood elves over the night elves then I’m sorry but you really should check up on their lore.
The main reason is because Nightbourne shared nearly the same path as the Blood Elves with their addiction to magic, the Night Elves who always stuck with nature magic simply did not know this.
Also saying Tyrande was mean is an understatement. If you compare the world quest text side by side it’s Liadrin’s keep them safe vs Tyrandes let them serve as meat shields (the context was that they were talking about civilians.) but even then that was not a convincing reason, it was the overlap with addiction and the branch that was offered on that basis that made nightbourne join with the blood elves
The third bit of text I feel like I’ve already tackled so I’ll leave that as is. My opinions aren’t changing on that.
With Vulperan there are no winners, there’s a few roleplayers that do it well and they’re a joy to play with but the majority are just uwu look at my fursuit character
It kicked off when demands were made that all Elves, plus Elven assets (Quel’Thalas and Suramar) should go to the Alliance and Horde Elves can have small camps and towns in Orgrimmar and Azshara.
Basically - Horde Elves are what Night Elves are at the moment.
That is nonsense. The Alliance races (elves icluded) can and should prosper without the Horde counterparts having to be put down. Both sides should get satisfaction, and I would argue that after BfA neither did.
The only good thing that came out of BfA were the heritage armors, where that was racial focused.
I’m pro Blood Elf/Nightborne first, then Horde second. (Let it be known that I don’t want these on the Alliance, because then they’d be even more neutered down to Human levels)
The lore could’ve been bent to have Gilneas join the Alliance again and help the Blood Elves against Sylvanas.
Again - this is fictional lore we’re talking about, not real events. Anything can be made up to make it “work”.
It lines up with the lore they made up to make it work. It did not and still does not line up with the pre-established lore, though.
It was the main reason why they did not consider joining the Alliance.
Indeed, Tyrande wasn’t even mean. Tyrande only shared a valid concern regarding the Nightborne’s past events. Turns out, she wasn’t wrong, because they did end up joining the faction who burned their homeland and genocided their race. I wonder if that Night Elf who helped the Nightborne create the Arcandor would’ve done it knowing the race he was helping would end up joining a faction that would commit genocide against his race.
Tyrande and Vereesa not keeping contact with Thalyssra is not Thalyssra’s problem. What’s the First Arcanist supposed to do? Keeping running after them, begging them to notice her?
Liadrin, Lor’themar and Silvermoon maintained contact with Suramar.
So, ignore the Sin’dorei because alliance-players’ feeling might get hurt if she accepts help from the Horde Blood Elves?
What is it that you want? Alliance to have everything and Horde to have nothing, because -ma feelings!!-
Are you seriously triggered over nightborne accepting blood elf aid? Your almost 4 years too late. If you haven’t gotten over this now - then I think it’s a -you- problem.
Nope, they should have been friendly with the Sin’dorei and even help them, but not join a military faction that actively seeks to kill and steal Night Elf lands, especially after it was a Night Elf who saved their race from extinction.
Me? Sethrak for Alliance, thanks.
No?
No?
You need to improve your reading comprehension skills.
Yes, because Thalyssra has the gift of foresight and is able to see into the future that Sylvanas would get triggered by a dying night elf woman and burn Teldrassil (of which nobody, not even Saurfang or Blightcaller knew that she would burn the tree.)
Why is it, only Thalyssra should have this gift? Shouldn’t Mayla be bullied into having the gift as well? Hell, Alleria Windrunner should have had this gift, so she could commit Ren’dorei forces to Darkshore in order to prepare for the invasion. Then Alliance would get it’s Kaldorei/Ren’dorei -working together- moment.
Nobody knew what was going to happen. Thalyssra and Mayla weren’t even part of Sylvanas’ inner circle. Hell, Nightborne and Highmountain weren’t even present during the WoT at any point.
I agree with you, but I think all of the Horde races except Undead should have left the Horde immediately, or rebelled against her. If we are to be consistent with the lore, that is.
That’s my whole point here - lore consistency. I’m not saying the Nightborne shouldn’t have joined the Horde or whatever (in my personal opinion, the Nightborne and Void Elves should have remained neutral, like Pandaren). All I’m saying is that lately I’m not agreeing with the way the lore team is introducing new races. I feel they don’t make sense. They definetely need to improve that part.
EDIT: And my point in this thread is that it is unfair for us Sethrak fans to be told “No, it’s not compliant to lore, so no Sethrak for you” while we are forced to swallow all this recent lorebending that happened to have all these other races, if that makes any sense.
Sethrak are selfish little b’s who never actually cared for the faction war.
Their main goal was to stop Korthek and Jakra’Sand Troll. They were actively, never involved (nor cared) about the factions, though the friendly ones did have more interaction with the Horde, through the Zandalari.