I spent the day after the patch mainly progressing delves, finally got delve map and did quite challenging level 11 delve just to receive … Amorphous Relic trinket as my first heroic track item - a level 649 trinket.
I read several times the description on the trinket just to make sure I’m not mistaken the proc and the stats but there is no mistake - a level 649 trinket is giving for 30 sec once every 2 min while in combat main stat as a level 639 trinket that has it permanently!
Simulation points this 649 level trinket corresponds more to a lvl 619!
How are those random number thrown on this trinket and how it even went live like that?
So for 30 sec every 1 min you have no trinket at all - no stats, nothing, empty trinket slot.
What a big disappointment!
If the trinkets from delves would be too strong there’d be an uprising of tryhards claiming they’re forced at gunpoint to farm delves for that 0,001% increase.
It is a very deliberate design decision to keep the raid trinkets on top since you can’t spam farm them. If delves or dungeons gave the best rewards or equivalent to raiding then what would be the point of raidlogging? You’d just farm dungeons before and steamroll the raid, the content is meant to be played for at least like 2-3 months.
You walked into a delve… the 1st day of the season and did the max level possible. The FIRST day… I mean… not even the pros have finished the max level of the Raid yet. Or reached max level of M+… and yet… here you are. Doing 11s the first day.
That already should hint something to you… That Delves is a numbers game. You need to do more.
Also… you got 1 trinket out of a pool of several trinkets. In M+ there are 5 to 7 trinkets of which maybe only 1 is really useful. The rest are garbage. Same as in Delves. Same as in Raids.
I’m expecting trinket at level 649 to not be downgrade, but to correspond to ilevel 649. Not 30 ilevels lower!
If the loot from delves is 30 ilvls lower why should you do delves at all if the items there are actually downgrade.
And yes I did level 11 fully buffed and it was very challenging, especially as Brann kept dying, my dps was low, used potions and it took me the whole eternity to kill the final boss and the new special groups of mobs.
Now I understand that according to the forums it is my fault to expect a reward?!
What you are suggesting is unreasonable. Trinkets are so spec dependent that its an stupid expectation. Maybe its a 30 ilvl downgrade to you. But a 30 ilvl upgrade to a Frost Mage for example… That is why there are only 1 or 2 pants available, but 6 or 7 trinkets in the loot table. Cause there is some other trinket that its a 30ilv upgrade to you but a 30ilvl downgrade to a frost mage.
Not as challenging as Raids or M+. Therefore, why do you expect to get equivalent rewards ? The challenge of Delves is to be consistent. To grind them. They challenge your patience, not your skill. So be patient.
Its your fault to expect an unreasonably high reward for the actual effort and skill expression you gave. Which is different.
Because you DID get a reward. And next 11 you do you will guaranteed get another reward (unlike M+ and Raids). And maybe that one IS a 30 ilvl upgrade. Unlike M+ or Raids. That to get max rewards you FIRST have to get to that level. You cant just walk into a +10 the 1st day of a patch just like that. Or a Mythic Raid boss just like that. No matter how many “fully buffed” you go. No matter how many NPCs or how low your DPS is.
I don’t know, but this morning I was reading guild chat, and two people who last season did M+ at around 3.2k RIO said that Mechano-Core Amplifier and Suspicious Energy Drink are BiS from DELVES. Did you simcraft on Raidbots to see if it’s a downgrade or an upgrade?
Because, for example, I also dropped a few trinkets, including some from M+, and most of them sim lower than what I’m wearing right now.
There are like 2-3 trinkets that are actually overall viable for your spec.
Wowhead’s cheat sheet is pretty good for knowing what you should go for and which dungeons you should farm.
Most of those things on Wowhead were already simcrafted, so they know these trinkets are going to blast.
In my opinion, Delves are only valuable when you drop something Hero Track that can be turned into tier.
Trinkets from there are kinda OK-ish, but not like Rank 1 pushing viable.
I ran all 11s I could, and the difficulty is way down compared to S1. The only crazy thing for me is that after 6 runs I’m still waiting for this bounty to drop
Yeah, I got a Hero track Noggenfogger Ultimate Deluxe from a Delve this week, and it is significantly worse than LFR trinkets from Season 1. It’s criminal.
Ah yes, I remember in BfA where one of the BiS Essences came from PvP content and the wailing and gnashing of teeth from PvE end-game players was deafening.
Delves are considered world content loot table wise (lets not discuss wether it feels like world content here) and world content has in recent expacs had absolutely garbish trinkets, honestly.
Especially after Legion had this one boss that only spawned like once in 3 months or something and dropped the BIS trinket for everyone (a very strong flat stat stick). Ever since world content trinkets are just a slot filler to make sure your average ilvl doesn’t suffer from empty trinket slots.
Feels bad but honestly to me it falls within my expectation of world content trinkets.
OP in particular said that he dosent do M+ or Raid. And he was able to do a +11 practically naked. On the FIRST day.
You ran 11s 6 times yesterday. 1st day of the season.
So with that level of difficulty, I wonder what is the purpose of gear? Why does OP need a 649 ilvl trinket to begin with? If with 630 ilvl he is fine to clear the maximum level Delves can offer…
Yeah… the results of S1 cry for the “listens to the M+ croud”…
In case you did not get the sarcasm: Its BS what you say…
Delves got their tuning like… 3 days after launch. And continued to get it way into the season. Untill you were all satisfied.
We on the other hand had to wait 5/6 months to get what we wanted. And some (like me) had to wait 4 seasons to see that Aug abobination finally be deleted…
And if S1 of WW is not enough, let me remind you that in SL we spent the last 2 seasons with ZERO tuning… And if DF is not enough, I can go back all the way to Legion… where the elimination of depletes and affixes was a thing EVERY M+ player wanted…
Read my post again and try to understand it.
I will summarize it for you - each season I get all mythic portals and do heroics raids. I also do delves.
There is an issue with the loot in the delves - a lvl 11 delve should not drop a lfr trinket level from the previous season. It shall not be better than mythics or raids but at the start of the season 649 level shall be greater than double nerfed 626 level trinket from the previous season. Otherwise there is no point in running delves.
