I read a few guides and they say:
Haste = Crit > Versatility > Mastery > Intellect
So… is that true? Should I choose Versa instead of Intellect? Isnt Int 2,8xVersa?
Should I play with 2x Intellect trinkets or 1x Intellect + 1x Versa?
Also fingers with more Haste and Crit without Intellect?
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https://www.youtube.com/user/JyelleRIFT
This is basically correct. The reason int comes in so low on a 1:1 scale is you have SO MUCH of it already. Basic stat theory is the more of something you have, the less valuable it is relative to something else.
Shadow, however, gets so much value from haste and crit with the right trait setups that you need an obscene amount of both haste and crit before vers or mastery would ever be close or similar in value. However, because everything has int on it (Except rings) int’s value plummets.
For my character, int is worth about 3x less than crit or haste, and about 2x less than vers or mastery. Generally the lower ilvl you are, the less int relative to secondaries you have, and the less insane this is.
Trinkets are much more about what the trinket is than what stats it has. It’s very difficult to evaluate trinkets off the cuff like that without simming them.
As a reasonably hard and fast rule, do not equip rings that don’t have both haste and crit on them.
Its about your corruptions also. Your stat prio will change between haste and crit all the time. Safe bet to stack both.
It’s not correct, stat weights don’t work that way. You have to generate stat weights for your “own gear”. Stat weights from simc for Ellipsìs
Stat Weights
Versatility 10.61
Critical Strike 10.58
Haste 8.99
Mastery 8.18
Intellect 4.21
Does the stat weight rule Haste = Crit > Versatility > Mastery > Intellect apply for Ellipsìs current build? Nope it’s Versatility>=Critical Strike>Haste>=Mastery>Intellect for that build. Ellipsìs geared Haste (haste has a very small weight value which means too much)>Critical Strike (has a high value which means too little)>Mastery>Versatility (should be the most important stat there is too little)
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( Pawn: v1: “Ellipsìs - Shadow - Patchwerk (Raidbots)”: Class=Priest, Spec=Shadow, Intellect=4.21, CritRating=10.58, HasteRating=8.99, MasteryRating=8.18, Versatility=10.61 )
Ask Mr Robot on the issue.
Despite common belief, there is not one combination of stats that is way better than all the others.
There are many different combinations of stats that are very close in value.
Oh you are back again. Can’t say we missed you.
What I posted is correct and based on the only evidence available. Take Ask Mr Robot, that simulator implies stack haste. Simc implies Versatility worth the most. How does haste=Crit> everything else apply?
The method guide I read states, “Haste = Crit > Versatility > Mastery > Intellect” but then states “Make sure to frequently Sim your character to update yourself on your current stat weighting for your character.”
From said website,
" Versatility
Versatility just increases damage done and reduces damage taken. Versatility is pretty decent in The Eternal Palace since it scales the damage of trinkets/benthic gear.
At the end of the day you will want to sim all your gear, a change in item level or acquiring more sockets on your gear can heavily impact your stat weights."
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/guides/shadow-priest/stats-races-and-consumables on the method gg website.
So whats your problem?
Sigh… My character is one of the best geared shadow priests in the world, how is inferring things from my weights and then criticising my setup (Which you’re wrong on by the way because weights don’t take corruption into account) going to help this person?
Also if you’d bother to look at the numbers, it took me getting almost 10 times the amount of haste and crit than I do versa for it to reach the point where it’s almost, but still not better due to corruptions.
Also the world isn’t single target, as crit and haste both improve as targets are added, Vers does not. Making it even worse still.
Someone asking basic questions regarding what kind of items they want to be looking for when gearing their character does not want to hear something wishy washy involving simming their character at every turn, especially when sub optimal traits and essences are going to skew those Sims towards different things after every few items.
They want a decisive, simple answer that’s going to work for them for… Being Frank, a very long time. If this was any other class or spec, I’d probably say yeah using a basic stat priority isn’t ideal.
But if I’m sitting here at 2600 crit 2950 haste 300 Vers and my character still wants haste crit, I’m willing to take that liberty to give a more decisive answer…
Your gear build sims 92,359 DPS.
If I change your talents the sim returns an increased dps to 94,989 DPS.
Now all vers gems 92,280 DPS. 45% Haste, 29% Critical Strike, 25% Mastery, 10% Versatility. Worth it for the extra damage reduction of 3% more and for a small dps drop. No simulator dps change from stock.
Even if you don’t take Twist of Fate you are 90,076 DPS. 2.2k dps won’t be missed for 5% reduction in damage.
Remember the sims are the maths/numbers game. It’s nice that you don’t agree with method or the sims. You have agreed to haste = crit. So via maths you stack one. You don’t ever need to waste point in crit if each point of crit = each point haste. 12% of a higher number returns more points. More haste.
It does not work that way which is why method advise getting your stat weights.
This begs the question what maths are you looking at? Also you have to use a mathematical model to work out what gear to pick. So you have no choice but to use a simulator (maths model).
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I’d probably say yeah using a basic stat priority isn’t ideal.
So after all that straw man attack and slimy personal attack you agree I am right. Basically using a stat priority is wrong. So why tell people its correct.
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if I’m sitting here at 2600 crit 2950 haste 300 Vers
Basically haste>crit>mast>vers and you have self proclaimed perfect gear. Yet Haste = Crit > Versatility > Mastery > Intellect is basically correct according to you. The sim I use does take stat distrubrution into account. That also means bonuses from corruption buff.
My problem is you having a history of getting your threads in MMO champion locked and being banned from several Discord servers for the nonsense you spout and the absolute unwillingness to realize when you are wrong.
You also cherry pick things, leaving out words or phrases from people’s posts/comments when you reply in order to make it seem like they have no logic.
And on top of all of that, you actually go up to theorycrafters and say they are plain wrong, then provide either no proof or incorrectly used concepts and act like you are completely in the right and they are wrong.
sounds basicaly like a tl;dr of wow forum to me 
Rainbrew-draenor Thats also against the forum rules, reguardless of the person. Its call defamatory a post and against the forums code of conduct. https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/000256989
Also stating that you know someone when you don’t is stupid because your statement makes it look like you are stalking someone. Making a defamatory post makes it worse. We all know why you have made up such a post, you can’t attack the debate so you are now attacking a posters reputation.
For everyone thats reading I don’t have a mmo account. Also only on two discord servers both of which are not accessable to you. Hopefully you get the suspension you are after.
For clarity’s sake.
Your out of your league here. Crit and haste is way better. Just because some with bonkers gear see versa rise in value doesnt make it true for everyone else.
My stat weights.
Haste 11.60
Critical Strike 11.30
Versatility 11.23
Mastery 9.42
Intellect 4.82
Lets say I change a piece of gear with crit/haste to haste/versa now. My vers value is gonna down hard just by changing one piece.
EDIT: Not to mention all of this is only about the first part of what I said. The last two points are something I’ve observed myself, and what every single person looking at your post history can find about, as it is not hidden within these forums.
What sort of nonsense are you posting. Funny how this slander starts if you don’t agree with [Ellipsìs]. A funny little consequence. Get away from me and stop trying to harass me.
I’m not harassing you at all, you even did your cherry picking in this thread alone. And I find it absolutely hilarious that you are accusing me of resorting to slander when you disagreed with Ellipsis, but you resorted to name calling when they didn’t agree with you instead.
Ellipsis constructed a non-offensive reply, pointing out why you are wrong, and why they gave out the advice they did. And this is what you commented on it:
There was none of this in what Ellipsis wrote. You just see everyone who disagrees with you or points you are wrong to be personally attacking you.
Which is one of the reason I dislike you. If you actually tried to understand what you were doing wrong instead of crying wolf the moment someone points out your flaws, I would bother to have a civil conversation with you. I tried this in the past, it did not work out and I cba to try again and want to save other people the effort.
You are harassing me, now leave me alone.
Just came here to say I am absolutely drooling over your crit and haste values Elipsis. Well, the gear in general 
So the options are listen to a 428 priest with 0 m+ or raiding experience, or a 479 champion of azeroth and 12/12mythic raider
Well I know who i’m following <3 Ellipsìs