yes its ok to nerf dmg by 50% but not nerf healing by 50% thats what ur saying zmug i’m simplifying it for everyone here because ur a top notch idiot! qutos to u i couldn’t act as dumb as u even if i wanted to!
FYI i have given up on trying to decipher those cyrillic hieroglyphs you call spelling.
Fyi your life must be preaty sad to be defending something u dont want taken form you because after it you’re gonna feel like ur shi. at the game again :), forgot to mention its 2 more days of testing it so when blizzard finaly wake up and stop using us as gunie pigs ur gonna be real sad cuz if a dmg nerf is comming so is a healing one 
Dmg From Wing Clip- Was 25 -Now 12
Healing From Riptide- Was 1000-1200- Now 1000-1200
Nothing To See Here Perfectly Balanced Mama mia blizzard you nailed it on the head with this one!
Dev plays shaman, wasn’t it obvious when it was in p2 the only god class that was left untouched when SP / Boomies god nerfed week one?
Guess he died to some burst combo and said “enough is enough! Am supposed to be a god!” :'D
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can you stop lying as if its literally breathing to you for a god damn second bro?
shaman has received nerf upon nerf, upon nerf, upon nerf.
Rockbiter/WOE/DW: gutted (we are no longer in phase 2 btw. you seem to live in the past).
Overcharged: gutted (1 sec ticks > 3 second ticks)
Spellwarden aka 21/20/0 elemental/enh tank: absolutely gutted.
Ele running mental dex: gutted.
up next: shamanistic rage raid mana regen; gutted (they already announced this will happen next phase, so not only have we received nerfs with every patch, but we’re literally being told up front that we’re getting nerfed now).
in what world has blizzard been ignoring shaman?
literally every complaint has been addressed and now people can’t even tell me what makes shaman OP, its usually “something something riptide in pvp something something maelstrom stacks”
bro, dispel the maelstroms, hit him with mortal strike/wound poison, CC the shaman, dispel riptide, spell lock/silence him if he dares cast, poke his totems, disarm him.
shaman is not hard to kill, my guy.
you know which class has actually been allowed to run rampant without being addressed?
Paladin.
Paladin, right now, is the singular class in this game that enjoys the luxury of being able to kill people in pvp with 0 counterplay, there is nothing you can do if he bubbles. meanwhile he can still attack you from inside said bubble.
i can only imagine if shaman was able to pull off a stunt like that… you guys pretend there is no counterplay to shaman (because you’re bad) while ignoring the class which objectively has no counterplay.
upside down world.
yep, shamans are currently the most overtuned class. Never go oom, highest dmg and can self sustain with insta heals.
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Yes it was fine before we did 0 dmg now that we all deal 0 dmg but u got a heal to counteract our dps gives u a hand above the classes that don’t got heal shaman will get nerfed too so will moonkin and spriest but only when blizz wakes up!
in what world does shaman not go oom? the one where they don’t use any spells outside of maelstromX5 casts?
yeah, that world does not exist.
Shamanistic rage rune (75% mana), which is also a 1 minute shieldwall.
Everyone who Say shaman is not overly broken IS delisionnal
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you mean the one which your faction was just given an equivalent of?
the one that blizzard announced an upcoming nerf for?
that shamanistic rage?
yeah that’s not OP.
“shieldwall” omegakekw.
it lasts 15 seconds my guy, and its 20% damage reduction… shieldwall is a tad better than this…
once you realize how extremely expensive shaman spells are, is the moment you realize shamanistic rage is 100% needed for shaman to be able to function 10 seconds into a fight.
btw, besides the million other things you can do to a shaman in pvp, mana draining him is also a very valid tactic.
hit a shaman with a viper sting and watch as he desperately starts spamming poison cleanse totem, because he knows that even a tick of viper sting will eat like 20% of his mana bar.
you know how much simply refreshing WF on your weapons and reapplying lightning shield into casting ghost wolf costs?
like 25% total mana.
they lowkey have to pop shammy rage after every buff refresh as it is, currently.
Shamanistic rage:
5% mana each second per 15 seconds = 75% total mana for you and 20% of that mana regen to your raid in only 15 seconds.
activation: whenever you wan’t, no need to swing in melee range. only 1 min CD
DEBUFF: zero debuff
BUFF: 20% damage reduction for 15 seconds for the shaman and mana regen for the party
Guarded by the light:
5% mana each 3 secs last 15 secs = 25% mana (25% but SR gives 75% in the same time) in 1 minute is only 100% mana regen, only 25% more than SR in 1 minute.
activation: need to hit at melee
DEBUFF: healing done by paladin spells reduced in 50%, paladin CAN NOT cancel the aura for getting rid of the mana regen and the healing reduction.
BUFF : none, NO 20% damage reduction
need to be active 45 seconds for earning the same amount of mana from shamanistic rage with 50% healing reduction and 3 melee swings each 15 seconds.
But sure bro shamans are not broken 
They’re removing the raid mana regen aspect of it. nobody asked to be the raid’s mana battery, we never asked to babysit the healers/casters mana pools. i am completely fine with this being removed, because its not supposed to be a raid buff, but a personal one.
“whenever you want” eh? try using it while CC’d my guy. it doesn’t work.
implying it should give a debuff? what is this, bloodlust? what are you even saying here?
im curious though; what kind of debuff should the shaman receive when using his one defensive/mana regen CD?
funny you mention guarded by the light as if that’s the equivalent to shamanistic rage. now allow me to illuminate you;
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1c4tl8r/buffs_coming_to_paladins_seal_of_martyrdom_in/
read it and weep it. THIS is the shamanistic rage equivalent you’ve been given, and this is on top of the guarded by the light and blessing of wisdom.
you are beyond set when it comes to having your own raidwide mana battery, arguably you’re better off than horde now - at least until phase 4 when none of this matters as both paladin and shaman raid mana regen will be gutted.
so once again, i ask you; what makes shaman overpowered?
Just had a fight in Hinterlands on my hpala and a warlock friend of mine, vs a geared to the teeth Shaman that kept harassing. Took like 8 minutes to bring him down.
He could reset and reset, riptide after riptide and keep regenerating mana as ench. It was tragic to see. On top of this he demolishes my lock buddy, luckily hpala can sustain for a long time but still.
A complete joke. No efforts were made on my part cause i just get destroyed from lightning shield if i went near.
Sure this guy was good, im also good. Breaking all his totem efforts, his constant purging. But still how? How are they alive. I feel like in that moment only a ARMS warrior with me could have brought that guy down in a heartbeat, but certain classes atm just can’t kill a decent shaman. Ele or ench, doesnt matter.
And i know for a fact that would never be a realistic scenario in plain vanilla.
this is the fault of the damage reduction aura in tandem with healing as a result being directly buffed, riptide is now much stronger than it was before, because everyone does less damage, so the value of any and all healing has significantly increased.
it is indeed unfortunate for you that in this particular encounter you did not have an offensive dispel, because that would have dealt with riptide - at least the HoT aspect of it.
but now you are contradicting yourself, because a shaman cannot use both riptide and overcharged - they are both bracer runes.
if a shaman uses riptide, that means his lightning shield is useless - you can literally ignore it, in that case.
the fact you made no effort to help kill him might also have contributed to his survival. just a guess on my part though.
brother, if the shaman is spampurging he will be oom in seconds. purge is very mana intensive. this is to balance out the fact that it has no cooldown. no shaman in the game can purge forever - they will oom themselves (btw you can use this to your advantage by baiting him to purge)…
a shaman will spampurge a paladin to prevent him from using his seals, so what should you do in response?
spam rank 1 seals - you will win the mana war if the shaman does not notice he is wasting his mana.
again, this is because of the ridiculous damage reduction aura. before this aura shaman (especially enhancement) was very killable.
Now that is what i like to see, actual numbers and comparisons instead of insults,
more please.
a bunch of misinformation is what you like to see?
yikes.
numbers, percentages and comparisons are far more valuable than mindless insults during a debate,
so yes, as a neutral on the topic, it is in my best interest to go with the most insightful information delivered.
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okay, but i pointed out in my response where his info is wrong.
he is throwing out claims like “its literally shield wall” and that you can “use SR whenever you want” like bro, ok get gaslit i guess.
well what they said is correct though, the numbers are correct, and the majority of the comparison is correct also,
when they say " use whenever you want " they’re implying that the player can choose when to activate the ability, given the situation and scenario being able to choose when SR is used, and they were correct with the 1min CD,
that’s not gaslighting in anyway shape or form,
they were also correct in saying that in order to activate the GBTL PASSIVE, you need to be engaged in melee attacks, in-addition it reduces the amount of healing by 50%, which can not be cancelled,
numbers dont lie.