newsflash: one can use correct math and still be wrong.
ok,
so they’ve used the correct numbers and percentages when comparing 2 abilities and with said information was able to clearly decide which ability was better than the other…
but they’re still wrong?
every scientist in the world right now is rethinking their entire lives due to that statement
to be honest i have not even bothered to doublecheck his math.
conveniently his math also happens to leave out the fact that blessing of wisdom exists, it also ignores the recent raidwide mana buff to seal of martyr, and what about judgement of wisdom?
this is called misinformation.
omitting the fact that other mana regeneration mechanics exist in the game, on the same class, at that, is called lying.
lying by omission is a thing in legal terms as well, and if you try it in court you can get punished for it.
Mana spring totem?
that is indeed a thing shaman has.
now imagine i tried to gaslight you into believing mana spring totem was all we had for mana regeneration (btw mana spring is not raid wide, but nice try).
that’s what this guy is doing, but for paladin.
can you link where they said paladins have no other way to regen mana please.
i know mana totem isnt raid wide but i also know that horde raids stack shamans, so nice try.
that’s just it.
they didn’t outright say paladin doesn’t have other ways of regenerating mana, but they omitted the fact that they do… = lying. by. omission.
you do know what “omit” means, right?
but why do they need to state other methods of mana regen,
their point was solely aimed at SR vs GBTL, which they got correct.
because they are the ones who decided to “break it down” through maffs and wogic.
leaving out critical information in a math equation means the result will be wrong.
ask literally any mathematician and he will tell you this as well.
indeed, they broken down TWO ABILTIES, TWO, the number 2, 1+1=2
those abilities were shamanistic rage and GBTL, those 2 abilities, they broke down those 2 abilities,
while comparing the 2 they added the correct numbers and percentages to get the answer to the question: which ability is better?
now what type of critical information did they leave out when comparing SR to GBTL?
are you being obtuse?
his claims was the shaman is OP because they have an unfair advantage aka they are able to regenerate more mana, then proceed to present 1 of 4 different mana regeneration spells available to paladin and say “look, SHAMAN OP”.
lying by omission. he knows the paladin is able to generate more mana than what he gets from guarded by the light, but he acts like this is not true.
i honestly don’t know how many more different ways i can tell you this, you’re baiting, right?
so paladins have GBTL and wisdom which is seal + judgement?
shamans have SR and mana spring totem + power surge? oh and resto gets an extra mana totem right? mana tide?
and before you say totems are party wide, which i know, i just checked a few guilds out on Warcraft logs, the first horde guild i checked run with 6 shamans in a team.
blessing of wisdom is not a seal, seal of wisdom is how you get a judgement of wisdom.
come on my guy, i never even played alliance and i know how this works, you’re starting to embarrass yourself now.
if the shaman goes for maximum mana regeneration (lets imagine this was top priority over all else) he would have access to:
- Power surge (Belt rune).
- Shamanistic Rage (Leg rune). (stacks)
- Mana Spring Totem - Partywide mp5 (does not stack)
- Mana Tide Totem - 31 resto talent. (does not stack)
- Water Shield - (Gloves rune).
- Rolling Thunder (Bracer Rune - apparently this is currently bugged and gives no mana)
do let me know if i am forgetting something… not sure why you would though, i am not the one sitting here with omega math pieces that ignores 5/6 spells to try and prove my point.
wait what are you talking about?
i said blessing of wisdom, + seal and judgement, by that i mean seal of wisdom plus the judgement.
I said the same thing after starting of s3, Then there was no damage reduction and the shaman killed me with 3 spells, before that I took him down twice to about 20-30% hp, and he heald himself with riptide to 80%+. Who uses his mind as an elemental shaman is unkillable. Another question is that there are many idiots who go to pvp with full dps runes and then they crying. But why should an elem shaman chose more dps instead of sustain and tankyness xD they have enough baseline damage. Earth shield and WOE both op for elemental. I think WOE is even better, the +hp and flat damage reduction is strong and riptide every 6 sec is more than enough for healing.
yeah but now you’re the one omitting one of the “wisdoms”.
there is judgement of wisdom (debuff on boss)
seal of wisdom (mana return for pala)
blessing of wisdom (plain mana regeneration buff).
you only mentioned 2 out of the 3 wisdoms… but tbh, i can sort of forgive it, given the nature of three whole spells basically sharing some variant of the same name.
That’s 3 methods of mana regen for paladins and you named 6 for shamans,
are you happy now that theyre on the table?
also why are you so certain i was omitting then, are you paranoid or something, i simply missed it, no actual intent there.
it really depends, because the fact of the matter is that mana regeneration is not the top priority for shaman.
you will never find a shaman running all 4 of these runes, you will never see a shaman even pop mana spring totem because it costs more mana than it provides over its duration (lol).
if a shaman were to use all the things i mentioned he wouldn’t be able to perform his role.
btw runes like rolling thunder is an elemental shaman rune, you won’t find i.e enhancement shamans using it.
same is the case for the other runes.
and no, its 4… 4 methods pala has, because now you’re omitting seal of the martyr which i literally just called that other guy out for as well… and tbh these are just the spells i - a non-paladin, horde only player is aware of… maybe some paladin players out there can bump this list of 4 up a few points, because its very possible they have more mana mechanics that i am personally not aware of.
So that Shaman has 1k hp in your story. That is the only way he could go from 20-30% HP to 80% HP with Riptide alone.
As a 320 healing power, resto specced Shaman, my riptide heals for 600 instantly and about as much over 15 seconds. An Elemental Shaman doesn’t heal more than my shaman with Riptide…
You guys are so full of s*it you don’t even bother to research to make your lies convincing.
what server are you on, i got some game time left to make a char on your server, you give me your discord, lets actually talk about it. its very easy to use omitting as an excuse on the forums, lets chat.