Why dont they just create a 4th spec for shaman called “breaker” or something?
Where you use 1h and the summon a big rock/earth shield, with different looks(which can be transmogged to regular shield)
Kind of the like the offhand doomhammer legion weapon for enhancement?
That would be awesome. It seems like such an easy implementation?
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I would love an earth and magma themed shaman with two handed maces or axes. And pretty much you would give to yourself earth enhancements etc
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Yes pls , would be awesome for the theme.
Yes shaman tank please give it too us blizzard i beg you <3
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No to a shaman 4th spec.
/10 chars.
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Earthwarden – Shaman Tank Specialization
Spec Name: Earthwarden
Armor: Mail
Role: Tank
Primary Stat: Stamina, Versatility
Weapons: One-Hand + Shield (optional: Two-Hand Mace/Staff for flavor)
Spec Fantasy
“When the world trembles, the Earthwarden stands firm.”
Earthwardens call upon the ancient power of the Earth to harden their bodies, redirect blows, and shape the battlefield itself. They command the ground beneath their feet — absorbing attacks, rooting foes, and transforming damage into raw resilience.
They don’t merely resist damage — they become the mountain.
Core Mechanic: Grounded Energy
Resource:
• Generated by Earth abilities.
• Max 100.
• Spent on powerful defensive and counterattacks (like Earth Ward or Fissure).
Passive:
Earthen Resilience – Each time you take damage, your Armor increases by 2% for 6 sec (stacks up to 5).
This creates a reactive tanking rhythm — taking hits strengthens your next defenses.
Key Abilities
Earth Shield (Tank Version)
Protects you with 8 stacks of earthen energy.
Each hit consumes 1 stack and reduces damage by 4%.
When all stacks expire, it triggers a Stoneburst, rooting nearby enemies for 1 sec.
Earth Ward
Active mitigation shield.
Costs 20 Grounded Energy.
Reduces damage by 30% for 8 sec.
When it ends, 15% of prevented damage erupts outward as Earthshock Pulse (Nature damage).
Earth Spike
Impales the target with an earthen shard.
Deals high physical + nature damage.
Generates 10 Grounded Energy.
Critical hits empower your next Earth Ward.
Tremor Slam
Slam your shield into the ground, creating a shockwave.
• AoE taunt + 3 sec slow.
• Enemies hit deal 5% less damage for 6 sec.
• 12 sec CD.
Totem of Stonewall
Summons a massive stone totem for 10 sec.
• 15-yard aura.
• Redirects 30% of nearby allies’ damage to the Totem.
• Totem has 20% of your max HP.
• 1.5 min CD.
(Like a “Spirit Link Totem” reimagined for a tank.)
Fissure
Spend 50 Grounded Energy to split the earth open.
• Creates a damage zone for 8 sec.
• Enemies inside deal 10% less damage.
• You gain +20% Armor while standing within it.
Hardened Skin (Defensive Cooldown)
Your body turns to stone.
• 40% damage reduction for 8 sec.
• -20% movement speed.
• 2 min CD.
Echoes of the Mountain (Signature Ultimate)
Summon three Earth Spirits for 20 sec.
• Each reduces your damage taken by 10%.
• They share a portion of your incoming damage.
• Minor taunt aura for nearby enemies.
• 3 min CD.
Stat Priority
- Stamina – raw survival
- Versatility – damage reduction
- Mastery: Heart of Stone (new)
o Each Earth spell increases your Armor by 2% for 6 sec (stacks). - Haste – faster energy generation and mitigation uptime
- Crit – increases threat and triggers mitigation procs
ROTATION
Single Target – Boss Rotation
Goal: Maintain Grounded Energy flow (build → spend → mitigate).
Opener:
- Earth Shield (self)
- Tremor Slam (taunt + debuff)
- Earth Spike ×2 (generate 20 Energy)
- Earth Ward (activate)
- Earth Spike → Earth Spike → Fissure
- Reapply Earth Shield as stacks drop
- Hardened Skin during big hits
- Echoes of the Mountain for burst phases
Sustain Rotation:
• Earth Spike → main generator
• Tremor Slam → AoE control
• Fissure → armor zone
• Earth Ward → active mitigation
• Maintain Earth Shield
AoE / Add Tanking Rotation
- Tremor Slam
- Fissure (center of the pack)
- Earth Spike → main target
- Chain Lightning (Earth variant) → AoE threat
- Earth Ward → active mitigation
- Fissure or Totem of Stonewall for waves
Cooldown Management
Ability Use
Earth Ward (20 Energy) Frequent mini-CD
Hardened Skin (2 min) Major cooldown
Totem of Stonewall (1.5 min) Raid defensive
Echoes of the Mountain (3 min) Ultimate tank form
Fissure (50 Energy) Control zone + armor buff
Talent Tree Concept
Tier 1: Core Defense
• Earthen Resilience – baseline passive.
• Stoneflesh – Hardened Skin +5% DR.
• Grounded Flow – Earth Ward lasts +2 sec.
Tier 2: Control & Utility
• Magnetized Totem – Tremor Slam pulls enemies slightly.
• Seismic Reverberation – Fissure +5 yards AoE.
• Earthen Grasp – Earth Shield expiry roots nearby foes.
Tier 3: Resource / Aggro
• Stone Battery – Earth Spike +5 Energy.
• Molten Core – Earth Spike crits make next Earth Ward free.
• Grounded Conduit – Chain Lightning generates 5 Energy.
Tier 4: Reactive Defenses
• Crystalline Reflection – Earth Ward heals nearby allies.
• Stoneblood – Every 10% HP lost grants a 3% absorb shield.
• Earthmother’s Blessing – Earth Shield regains 1 stack every 5 sec.
Tier 5: Capstones
• Tectonic Rage – Activating Hardened Skin restores 50 Energy.
• Avatar of Earth – Transform into a stone giant for 20 sec: +25% Armor, +10% HP, +10% Haste.
• Improved Echoes of the Mountain – Summons 4 spirits instead of 3, lasts 5 sec longer.
Sample Boss Rotation Summary
Tank Sequence:
Pre-pull: Earth Shield → Stonewall Totem ready
Tremor Slam → Earth Spike ×2 → Earth Ward
Earth Spike → Fissure → repeat
Refresh Earth Shield
Hardened Skin for big hits
Echoes of the Mountain for add phases
Yeah… no one cares about what chat gpt thinks about tank shamans.
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You must be sad they added player housing or delves maybe you also was mad when they added Tmog or achievements , were you also saying “No to Evokers support 3rd spec”.
I really don’t get ppl with that attitude , don’t worry no one will force you to play it and don’t worry it won’t take from your spec balancing as it seems they even balance druids to a point when they get way more love then us when having 4 specs when their Tank and healing spec + boomy seems to be always viable in pvp and in pve load of times even more meta then any shaman spec.
You dont seem to get it do you?
Specs compete with eachother for a spot in groups.
If there is a Tank Shaman the chances of getting a spot as a Healer or DD shaman are greatly reduced. And vice-versa.
Why do you think nobody was playing Feral Druid these past seasons? Was it because it was bad? No it was not. It was actually good. But Dudus and Restos were better. That’s why.
Only ONE of those specs is viable at a time. And only ONE is the most viable. That’s what you dont get.
Take this season for example. Are guardians bad? Are dudus bad? No they are not. But Resto is better. So everyone plays a resto, and the chances of finding a spot as guardian are greatly diminished.
Do you think I want seasons where I have to compete with a Tank spec for spots in groups? Like hell I do !!! Like in S1 TWW where Enh was good. And nobody wanted a RShaman. They only wanted Enh shamans.
Yes I was. Because Augmentation Evoker is NOT a 4rth roll. Its a DPS. An OP DPS that forces everyone else to compete with him.
So it used to be that RShamans were good in DF. Better than RDruid. BUT… RDruid PLUS Aug Evoker was better than RShaman PLUS Aug Evoker.
So nobody wanted RShamans. Only RDruids.
Ok buddy then don’t ever add new classes to the game so there won’t be competition cose other classes have BL nowdays , you should have started saying it since they added DK’s in wotlk then.
Fun fact i suggest watching raids and how much they bring of the same specs when one is meta , adding tank won’t do anything , and yeah no one was playing feral because it performed way less then boomy dps , now if we want to follow your logic we should remove elemental or enhance so we won’t have 2 dps spec of same class not a different ROLE.
Rest i won’t even answer as this logic is broken already.
Other classes are fine.
Think of it this way:
1 MotW PLUS 1 Skyfury buffs is better than having 2 MotW buffs, or 2 Skyfury buffs. Because they don’t stack.
If they add a new class. Then you get some other unique buff.
Oh sure. Your argument for taking more than 1 spec happens only when that spec is busted. Right?
OK. Elemental Shaman was busted. They had like 3 or 4 of them in the raid. PERFECT.
Any Enh shamans? NOPE. Any RShamans? NOPE.
And when Elemental Shaman is not busted in raids. Then they will bring ONE shaman for skyfury. That’s it. Who will it be? Enh, Ele, or Resto?.. want to compete with a Tank as well?
I mean… you can whine all you want. But this is KNOWN stuff…
Have you played M+ lately? When was the last time you have seen a Holy Paladin? Yeah… NEVER. Rets are good. And most importantly, Prot is meta. They wont invite in 1M years a Holy Paladin to a group with 2 paladins already (Prot+Ret). Not even for a +10. So nobody plays Holy.
Yup, then why you don’t cry because other class get brought to raid and you losing a % of a spot by that logic?
Healers don’t compete with tanks as tanks don’t compete with dps spots its that simple , also your analogy is wrong they can bring always more of the same spec all it has to do with is their performence and balancing that’s why some specs are stacked and after 2 weeks another got 3-4 of them it always changes its not static .
Yup ret is insane and it has nothing to do with Holy not being brough into M+ into 1% elitist groups , all it has to do with anything is because it competes with other healers and loses to them simple as that .
There you go you answered yourself Prot is meta + they bring Ret , same Class other role , and they would bring Holy if it performed better then other healers as we already had season like that , each role to their own doesn’t steal spot of opposite role , in fact a tank spec would make YOUR class and Mine more represented , also i don’t get the whole cry about not being “Brought” because you are scared somehow a tank will steal your spot if enhance will be in the top 5 Dps you will get in just like Prot+Ret , i would love to have tank spec and option to run tank for a season , and nah i don’t push 1% M+ groups as its not my main content i do M+ just for the 2 mounts + achiv each season rest i am top 10-15 in pvp (Blitz)
Other classes ARE brought. But there will always be ONE shaman. 
Which one?
We have a CLASS tree that we share. That is why its not ideal to bring 2 of the same class to a party.
ALL shamans have Skyfury (and cap totem, and kick, and poison, and dispel, ect…). And so would a hypothetical shaman tank.
HPala looses in what sense? Its perfectly fine as a healer. It can heal any key it wishes to heal. Its just not that busted to justify bringing a PPala, a Ret and a HPala.
So I go back. To have TWO of the same class, you need atleast one of them to be busted. And I am not talking about the 1%. I am talking about 7s, 8s, and 10s.
Look. This is KNOWN stuff since Vanilla. If YOU don’t know about this, then don’t blame me. Class Utility is a thing. And having UNIQUE utility is better than having doubles of the same. Because often times they dont stack, or stack badly.
What’s your conclusion as to “Other classes like pala/evo/druid and so on can be brought” but some why shamans won’t? i actually seen loads of groups with Resto shams + Dps sham so that statement is wrong , its nothing more then wishful thinking ang guessing something will happen when live facts show otherwise on other classes.
No one cares they are brough left and right from the dawn of times .
So does every other class in game that has more roles then just dps yet they are brought because each one of the fulfill a different role better or worse per season + each spec of the different roles can bring and brings different utilities , this is wrong , boomies are brough resto druids also so does priests and even shamans .
Don’t be funny we ran as a guild countless times even as triple classes of the same i got no clue what groups you run or you are literly sitting on mid maxing into 0.5% performences from “Passive effects and buffs” yet even that is wrong.
Nah its known only now since ppl know what meta is to bring 15+ warriors , in vanilla no one knew anything as wowhead didn’t exist not to even speak about sims , ill let you know one thing 99% of the playerbase doesn’t care about that aspecially when Mythic raids are ran by less then 1% of the playerbase and even there you have triple and more of the same classes .
My suggestion to you don’t play MMO play M+ simulator like fellowship if you care about “Getting a spot” instread of giving people options to play and expanding the game itself in any possible way you calculate your “Fun” in getting to the end point by 20-40 seconds and getting invited because “You need to play meta” , if you care about that so much why don’t you just switch to the weeks meta spec and get your insta invite if you dont have a guild that invites you?
Only if one of the players is busted. Like… healer has 3300 rio… well of course he will be invited. No matter how many Eles are in the group.
However… MOST people are not busted.
And ONE druid for MotW. And ONE paladin for Dev Aura. And ONE shaman for BL.
Dont forget. You take 15+ warriors in vanilla ONLY because they are busted. That’s it.
And if it was today, WHICH shaman would you take? Enh, Ele or Resto? In the case of Vanilla, you took Enh. Because he had Windfury. That buffed the OP busted warriors.
Dont beleive me? You know the data is public right?
https://raider.io/stats/mythic-plus-group-compositions?season=season-tww-3&minMythicLevel=7&maxMythicLevel=9
Keys 7 to 9. FAR from the 0.5% as you claim. How many of them have a double class? And how curious that most groups with a Ret have a Warrior tank instead. And THE most popular comp by far has no repeated classes.
You can check ALL key levels. Even +10s and +2s… (which are super similar)… They all say the same thing: By FAR you have 1 class of each. Its super RARE to have double classes. Across ALL levels.
I mean… do you even play M+ TODAY or what? It sais here that with your shaman you have done a total of FOUR keys in the whole season. And haven’t cleared a single boss in normal mode. And that you spend your time playing Delves SOLO.
Why do you want a tank to do Delves? Its ridiculous.
Check my pvp rating maybe? i said above i only do M+ for the 2 mounts + achieve , i am mainly a pvp player , rank 13 atm you can check my account across all my classes in check-pvp .fr from all season if you wish to.
You must be crazy to think 7-9 keys requering meta set up , yeah ppl do play double classes in 7-9 keys its children content at those keys can even run it full all pala or all druid , and yeah by far from +15 keys or elitists key content or raiding , btw the link you linked i think that you don’t know how to read statistics it simply states that 7-9 keys 5.9% from all samples ran that comp of different classes , is there a chart that says 50% dont run same class? no there isn’t so your narrative isn’t even proven by your own link.
Also stop crying and get a guild if you cry so much about not getting invited if tank will be a spec for your class , also i just opened LFG just to be cirious and there is loads of groups running same classes Prot wars + Fury wars (+19 key), double hunters (+12key), double rets , Blood dk + frost Dk (+14 key) , Resto dudu + Tank dudu (+10 key), another double hunter (+14 key) , DH tank + Havoc (+10 key), Resto sham + ele sham (+10 key)… and i can keep going on and on , anyways Learn to read statistics and what they say they don’t prove your stance at all secondly open up even LFG take 2minutes to scroll the groups GL and stop crying and imagining things.
BRO. Even worse. Its hilarious!
Tanks are barred from Arenas. And significantly nerfed in BGs and tank balance is horrendous (it’s been guardian OP since WotlK). AND they are the least played specializations in Blitz. Which are not required even for the match to start.
Blizzard CLEARLY dosent give a damn about tanks in PvP… Why do you care?
Bro. Are you dense?
LOOK AT THE DATA. Its not MY words. Its DATA. Pure and simple.
It dosent matter how crazy you think I am. It dosent matter how much you yap. Its the REALITY.
And BRO. If you are going to give me PvE lessons… you better shut your mouth and stay in PvP where you belong.
Loads… yeah… You saw ONE group.
The data is THERE:
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-tww-3/all/world/leaderboards
LOOK at the data. 1 exception dosent make the rule.
As for looking for a guild. AGAIN. Stop giving me lessons in PvE. Guilds recruit certain classes that are missing from their roster. They dont just invite anyone willy nilly.
Stick to your solo Blitz nobody cares about. You play ALONE anywais. Your pathetic 480 rating in 2v2 kinda prove it.
Learn to read the data you link.
No one spoke to you about meta comps ya funny guy.
There is loads of groups running same class with different role and its a fact that goes on 24/7 in LFG .
No one gives you lessons in your M+ , i am giving you lesson in reality and in the statistic you linked before which doesn’t prove your point at all , all it states its that a comp was ran at 5.9% of cases from keys 7-9 from the entire pool of 7-9 , it doesn’t show all cases of comps , also i am giving you reality check to open LFG took me 2m to check and typed in 2minutes comps that use same class in their groups and what keys they run , proves only otherwise that ppl DO and WILL invite same classes of different roles “UNLESS” its 0.1% META HEAVY 21+ keys that uses that’s week COMP of META after nerfs/buffs simple as that.
Well why are you then teaching me about pvp? you are more then welcome to check Tank’s rating in pvp , their roles in Blitz/rated bgs changed mostly in flag carrying maps used in 90% of the cases to Anticap or delay mid or control battle , not long ago Blood DK got nerfed because they could grip/CC all game 1 healer of enemy team and make him useless for the entire match.
Nowdays flag carrier is the most mobile/versitile class/spec which is usually evoker healer.
There is tanks above 2.4k in shuffle , especially more in blitz.
Ofc i belong in pvp and ofc i stay in pvp where scenarios and matches aren’t scripted to follow a pattern against NPC only after pvp i get 2.5k+ in M+ in 1-2 days for cute achievement and mounts to let the number go up as a collector 
Lol that’s your most funny one , those guilds are only Mythic raiding focused guilds with reputation that are in the 0.1% , for one there is thousands of guilds that invite everyone of any skill Level which finds groups there to run on their set lvl who easily run +15s , as for my guild is focused on PvP it has ppl who casually do +15 when they are bored from pvp.
Actually the only thing that it proves that you didn’t go to Check-pvp .fr to check all my characters and their rating on each exp/season Funny guy only shows again how you can read or understand charts .
Seems to me i am in the top 13 in my bracket some why i cant see you even in the top 100 in your “Fev played bracket”.
Btw idk if you noticed but my guild is ranked 196 in EU pvp from 71267 guilds total [i am the guild lead] where is your guild in your pve? i can’t see it.
As here again you prove you have no clue what people are speaking with you or you lack basic understanding , what you are linking “Top comps” is same as me saying “Look what comps are in AWC you can’t play anything else” get outta here dude with your broken illogical statements and browse your LFG for 2m to hit reality .
As to that funny word from you , i am not the one crying that he won’t get invited to random groups 
seems more to me like you are the one who plays alone and needs to be accepted to random groups seem like you want to project something here from within yourself .
Who is talking about meta comps here?
I gave you the statistics of the class diversity of groups for keys 7 to 9. And you see what you see.
OMG. Giving ME a lesson.
Bro. The comp: Ret, PWarrior, RShaman, BM hunter, DK constitutes 5.9% of keys 7-9. YES.
But what about the comp: Ret, VDH, Fmage, DK, RShaman? That was was run 2.9% of the runs. What about the comp: MM, DH, DK? Well that one was run 3.3%…
You add them all up and you get 95% from the total.
And YES. Some have duplicates (like Fury + PWarrior). And you can simply do 95% - the % of duplicate comps and see what is ran the most: Duplicate comps or individual class comps.
JEEZ… giving ME lessons on statistics…
(A) Yes. They will invite duplicates. But most dont. It’s what the data shows for all levels.
(B) YOUR anecdotal 1 minute LFG search, that shows ONLY a maximum of 35 keys, which don’t include regions such as US… well… NOT statistically relevant.
A sample size of 1.3M keys… IS representative.
Because unlike YOU I checked out the statistics:
https://check-pvp.fr/stats?bracket=blitz&rating=1800®ion=eu&class=11&spec=104
And tanks have a representation of 1.7% (all 6 tanks together). The fact that ONE tank gets to 2400 raiting is irrelevant.
For the same reason that ONE duplicate comp in keys is not representative and irrelevant.
Plus… Reddit and the forums are full of people complaining about tanks. FIRST: They are not that good because they take 75% more damage (according to them). SECOND: In the matchmaking algo, if one party has a tank, the match will not start until the other group also has a tank. Delaying matchmaking process. And people want this to change.
So whatever man… its clear as water that blizzard dosent care about tanks. And they dont want tanks to play PvP at all. And are sending you multiple signals to avoid people playing as a tank.
Huh? I dont care why you play PvP, or if PvE is scripted or not.
Tanks belong in PvE, not PvP. So why do you care about a shaman tank.
Dont dodge the question…
You want me to show you the raid statistics as well? Or the M+ ones did not humble you enough?
I dont care. You could be Rank 1 in PvP for all I care.
The FACT is that you play ZERO PvE. And tanks belong in PvE, not PvP.
So I ask again: Why do you care about shaman tanks? ESPECIALLY if you wont invite them into your PvP guild to play. Because (A) there are few and (B) you already told me that you prefer an evoker to carry a flag.
You are the one that looked for ONE comp in a +19 with double classes. Here:
I mean… if you are going to do that, atleast look at the WHOLE list. Not just ONE group. And a +19 is title range. So yeah… a +19 qualifies as “top comps”.
If you would have bothered to see my profile in Raider IO you would have realized something else.
And I play PvE. I know what other people that PuG PvE scene have to endure. You do PvP. That has nothing to do. You got your matchmaker Solo Shuffle/Blitz thing. It has nothing to do with PvE where you dont have that.
You did by linkin top ladder with +21 keys and crying.
Yes we see only people who Log their runs and all those are ppl who got raider io installed and run in the background + have Bnet account linked to log the runs of which btw not a single one in my guild or even pve friend’s of mine that run +16s takes care to do , it shows poll of 121k runs which is nothing when we have millions of runs by this point of season.
as already said 24/7 groups are made took me 2 minutes to find tens of group doing even 15keys with same classes.
Its not “Total” as “Total” doesn’t exists in raider io , all it shows keys from 7-9 and only ppl who logged , lemme remind you most ppl in game don’t log anything and don’t use raider io .
Your whole point is “If they add tank” you won’t get invited , involved into “I wont be playing meta comp that is logged” , get a grip lady you look in LFG touch grass and realize there is tens of groups that do every single time you open up LFG for even +15 keys , that wouldn’t mean they are “Meta” but they do and they time it , anyways meta shifts and changes from week to week from month to month i do hope you cry when enhance not meta and you not get invite by your whole convo here.
First of all there is no 1 tank that got above 2.4k there is hundres , secondly you need to understand how rating is calculated in blitz as the rating pool is coming from entire population of your Spec , the more ppl play the spec the higher and easier it will be to get 2.4k[for example] as you compete against your own spec and not “Overall rating pool” as in 3s or 2s .
You as PvE player know exactly how down the tank population number became and how hard it can be to find a tank for even M+ sometimes , so yes ofc it will be harder for least popular specs to compete with least popular specs in blitz/shuffle it will be the same as saying “Look there is only 6 ppl above 2.4k in rated bgs it must be trash roles” while its wrong and its because the bracket is basicly “Dead” , same here with tank their numbers go down as its least popular role to play in pve and pvp making it super hard to gain rating in shuffles/blitz .
Now lets get the numbers with your “Only 1 tank got 2.4k” [and lets get something ppl above 2.4k are on the same par as your M+20-21(731 groups across all regions) the 0.1% of the brackets]
- 31 tank in eu blitz above 2.4k - with the highest being blood DKs as tanks role changed from soaking dmg to being CC machine or Mobile enough to kite groups when FC or Being able to easily anticap when being CCed yourself.
- 36 tanks in us blitz above 2.4k
- 228 tanks above 1.8k in eu blitz
- 242 tank above 1.8k in us blitz
Mind you it tracks only players above 1.8k[Preformatted text](https://check-pvp.fr/solo?region=us&realm=all&faction=all&classes=all&specs=73,66,250,268,104,581&sort=rating&order=desc&page=5&minRating=1800&maxRating=4100&bracket=blitz)
This is exactly why we need more tank specs/classes in game for people to encourage that Role with ppl liking set classes/themes , as example during season 2 i lvled a DH ofc for pvp but guildies that dinged and wanted to gear towards PvE i logged on the DH and tanked couple of low 2-3 keys for their freshly dinged greed geared alts because it was hard to find tanks , i would do it way more if i could simply switch to tanking spec on my main shaman.
Tanks belong everywhere in game be it pve [in your mind pve=M+ and raiding only as you imply] and in pvp , in all content .
Just because you think they are trash in pvp in set role to soak dmg like “Guard druids” doesn’t mean they are trash as in pvp their roles can differ from what you expect , take example Blood DK’s in blitz Gripping CCing and taking healers off the map “Hostages” for the whole match so the enemy team plays with 1 healer in team fights when the other one is in the corner of the map gotten stolen by Blood dk , or prot pally that has so much bubles for allies and magic immunities for allies that he is a hybrid of CC machine with Avanger shield silences and support with insane word of glory heals + giving bubles to allies x2 times more then Holy paladin.
Hope that answered your question as to tank’s don’t only belong in “PVE” and yeah more options = net positive .
Zero = 0 , but its a mistake i got 2.5k M+ achiv in each season for mounts/achievement as i also a collector , if i don’t spam same keys every week for whole season doesn’t mean i play “Zero” PvE , it simply means that i run it finish it for my goal and then i have no reason to continue doing it.
Already answered above and gave reason why i do care , also they belong in all aspects of the game as its an MMO and not M+ simulator fellowship , and who told you i don’t invite them or anyone into my guild? actually i invite ppl with 0 exp in pvp and we show em the ropes when they ask , i also invite ppl who play only PvE but also enjoy pvp , we are not strict on looking for only 1 kind of play , we even have ppl who played pvp their whole life but for some seasons did 90% only M+ , while the main focus of the guild is PvP we don’t see net negative in ppl joining to make M+ groups if that’s what they like.
Well we used to have only 2v2 and 3v3 and rated bgs which was hell to organize and was last played siriusly during Shadowlands season 2 but then started to die out , so yeah Shuffle helped at the end of SL a lot , and i do hope some kind of system like that will be intreduced for M+ for ppl who wish to just que up alone or with friends into it and have ability to vote to end the run if it goes horribly wrong that would fix a lot of the M+ group finding issues.