The premade cartels currently dominate WSG and AB and stomping pugs ensures they remain in control of that cartel. From what I gather every active realm currently has organized PVP cartels. A cartel has an unfair advantage and is anti-competitive for good reason. Posters on this thread have also publicly stated that PVP cartels deliberately target individual solo players to put them at a disadvantage.
It wasn’t aimed at anyone personally just the general attitude on this thread that cheating is acceptable, a cartel is cheating. The original classic was a totally different experience. Ignoring the rose-tinted specs, the cartels did not exist in the numbers they do today. The PVP ranking system was not artificially inflated to the extent it is today. The cartel mafia is also harassing solo players outside of PVP to ensure they keep control of the PVP market. If a solo player puts in more hours than a player in a premade, then that solo player should be equally rewarded for it, no favours from Blizzard, just an equal right to the spoils of war.
The PVP cartel mafia contradict themselves as well, they state they are entitled to better reward (ranking and gear) because they are more organized but then admit it is not down to “skill” and “hours” anyway but solely down to the manner in which their cartel control the PVP market. If it is not down to skill and hours put in, what makes them more entitled to a better reward. What have they done to earn it other than organizing a realm cartel whose main goal is to control the ranking system?
Well, I don’t think it’s cheating to organize placements amongst the top earners, but flaming others for “breaking brackets” outside of the organized assignments I’d argue falls under harassment, and yes that is indeed against the rules.
No. Nobody is entitled to win. A ladder is a ladder, people will be excluded. Obviously a decent premade will have a better shot at raking in more from each BG than a solo queuer. It’s as Miylee put it, there’s an “equal opportunity” in place already. Everyone has an equal opportunity to group up.
Artificial limitations leads to exploits NOT offering that equal opportunity anymore. It’s what happened to refail for a long time, and it’s what’s already happening sometimes in AV.
It’d also lead to bots ranking much higher and faster.
Don’t need any of that garbage just because the loner casual gamers with no time to play the game feels like they should earn more epics for the little effort they put into the game. It’s thinking like that which led to LFR and world quests and titanforging and so on.
A) To be able to play with people who aren’t bad at the game and suck in social skills, aka solo players.
B) To make sure that no solo players can break brackets… ever. I mean every solo-yolo player who broke brackets had to transfer servers, got banned or quit the game.
The “cartels” or “mafia” as you refer to them are the majority of the community on every server who wants to rank without sacrificing their life in order to rank up so they make the best of a horrible system. The main drivers of high brackets are solo queuers, if there were no solo queuers every server would have BR1 set at 250K and people could cap by Friday morning. But, because there are always solo queuing afker/bots breaking brackets, brackets had to be 800K+ just to minimize the odds of someone breaking.
Solo queuing is what makes the ranking torture and no-lifing, not premading.
i think rank system is good just look how much effort people has to do to get the rank 14, getting 10 friends and playing together for hours thats real MMORPG to me at its finest, What would be better system? everyone to be able to get the rank 14? naah lets not go to back to retail, we once had wow and people cried that its too hard for casuals and now we have the retail called thing.
if those soloplayers really would want to get that epic rank they need to make a group of players and learn to stomp others or constantly grind 24hours a day to reclaim the effort people that practises together game after game to win 100% of the battlegrounds has done. Best of the best batlleground masters wins most of the battlegrounds gets the rank and deserved to be called Grand Marshal or High Warlord for their accomplishments to their faction on the battlefield.
Anyone that doesn’t have a job can get rank 14 in a few months. It’s not something that requires you to actually be skilled at the game.
It was like this back in the day and it is like this now.
I’ve known multiple keyboard turners that got it.
And that’s fine, we all agree the system is broken and now as Bewarê mentioned it’s even rougher without battlegroups.
But that doesn’t change the fact, that these premaders suck the fun out of the game for many people and they are selfish enough not to care, but then get buttblasted when someone doesn’t play by their rules.
I think the system should be changed in a way that a premade is more likley to encounter another premade. If no other premade is in the queue then the system should match it with a pug.
This way if you enjoy solo queue you actually have a bigger change to fight vs another pug.
And if you are premading you will most likley face another premade where you can actually use all your consumes/comms against a team just as organised as yours.
TBC’s matchmaking wasn’t perfect, but you were more likely to get matched against premades as a premade, and you were more likely to get matched against geared players if you were geared.
Even if you are in the premade it is boring
same thing go with scuffed faction balance, its just stomp or be stomped gameplay. In the last 3 weeks I have been in 1 bg that was somewhat even sided. i do think the fact that who you qued with , what faction you que as,what class and what time you que as have a larger inpact on you win % then you actually performance is genuinely the thing that holds world of warcraft back.
Lets be real most people who “enjoy” winning 99% of the time without any real effort or challenge don’t like the game play. They like it because they bring their personal issues into the game and can finally be the big man. Seeing how much time most of them put into the game (in most cases 10+ hours a day) I really don’t think they have much going for them irl.
also a friendly reminder that people are not playing the game to give others attention and confirmation. When people dont think the game is fun they will quit playing. Was WG and TB when the outnumbered faction stop turning up or at the start when every game was a nail biter?