Silvermoon brainwashing

The Void Elves were exiled and joined the Alliance because they were not wanted by the Blood Elves anymore.
It wasn’t disagree > exile it was exile > disagree.

As for the Highelves it’s true, they disagreed with the use of demon-magic. But it was easy for them, having many magicall artifacts in dalaran.
They took the moral highground when it was easy, but are fine with void-suckers, because they’re useful.

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Well then I guess

Except that the Ren’dorei, as per Umbric’s own admission, always disagreed with Quel’Thalas joining the Horde, and genuinely believe in the Alliance’s ideals.

Well then I guess

Also the Ren’dorei are the only playable “rebellious” faction. It would be as if the Defias became a playable Horde race which, by the way, won’t happen.

Conveniently he waited until after he was exiled to voice this.

It doesn’t mean anything. No one was around him during his exile, except other Ren’dorei. It’s only after he joined the Alliance that he could talk to other people and explain his motivations.

After the defeat of Kael these groups joined the rest of the blood elves again. They are gucci.

Never say never. We already made some Kul Tirans join the Horde :smiley:

More like he neever trusted Horde. But since it is coming from the guy who dabbled with the Void by proceeding with Dar’khan’s project and would 100% perish if not for Alleria’s timely arrival. So yeah. Umbric is not your ideal guy to follow.

But that actualy makes him quite the hilarious character. He didn’t like the Horde and preferred the Alliance but did the most un-Alliance thing ever.

Are more an exiled group rather than rebellous. They do not act from within Quel’thalas and undermine the current regime. They were kicked out and if Rommath kept his mouth shut when he was accusing Alleria of being a threat to the Sunwell, Umbric and his lot wouldn’t even be found in the first place.

What’s alarming is the fact that Umbric still claims that he is “loyal” to Quel’thalas and that he will work to see it join Alliance.

Which is a shame because from your standard Void Elf quotes you can come into conclusion that they do not give a toss about Quel’thalas or the Sunwell anymore. That they are so over it. That is quite a bit of fresh air.

Instead he just like Alleria is so butthurt about Silvermoon not seeing things their way. And that is a common High Elf trait with Silver Covenant reaching an extreme level of this spitefulness.

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Acting like Theron himself didn’t try to rejoin the Allinace once, and was stopped because of gamep… ah no, because of the Purge of Dalaran. Good one.

Lor’themar Theron used the opportunity that Valeera Sanguinar provided. A close relation to the High King of the Alliance. Because through her Varian knew every bit of detail on how Blood Elves ended up the way they did.

He wasn’t completely blue on the matter. I mean he was blue but in a different context. Lor’themar on the other hand treated Horde like a buisness. The moment Garrosh has shown his inner Garithos, the moment Theron decided that his partnership with the Horde has come to an end.

Normally no hard feelings would be involved but since Garrosh was rather the tantrum type easly bearing grudge, such secession wouldn’t go unpunished. Joining the Alliance was the convenient end, which was abruptly ended by Jaina.

In the end it conculed on Theron’s favor since he became close buddy with Vol’jin and Baine and finally making Blood Elves the equal memebers of the Horde because up until then they were always considered as second category members. With rather loose ties to the faction. MoP ended with Sin’dorei being more pro-Horde than ever before.

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He was completely blue on the matter. I mean, you can say it out loud. There’s nothing wrong with it.

The Sin’dorei became so pro-Horde after MoP that literally 2 expansions later Theron once again conspired with the Alliance against the lawful Warchief.

As did any other leader of the Horde (except Gallywix) with Baine being on the front. Even Thrall joined the frey. More than anything Theron has always been as disillusioned with the Horde as he was with the Alliance.

He even stated that Horde exists because of the Alliance. And Blood Elves had to join it because there was no way for them to be part of the blue faction. The whole concept and idea of such multi-racial faction going up against other races that form their own one to counter act was viewed by Theron as disgusting one.

Geya’rah didn’t, Gallywix didn’t, even Thalyssra wouldn’t have done it had it not been for Theron himself doing it.

The Horde doesn’t exist because of the Alliance, it’s literally the opposite. The Alliance was formed in the wake of Stormwind’s destruction by the remaining Human nations, who banded together in an alliance of mutual cooperation against the Horde to avoid the fate that befell Stormwind.

I do not mean the old Horde. I mean the current one that was formed in wake of Kul Tiras’ attack when Thrall sent Rexxar to once again have Trolls, Tauren and Stonemaul Ogres join forces to fight a common enemy.

If not for Daelin and later Onyxia and Nefarian’s actions there would be no Horde. Orcs, Tauren and Trolls would have friendly relations but they wouldn’t be that close as they are today.

The whole concept of Rexxar’s campaign in WC3 was to practily form the Horde a new from scratch.

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Except for the fact that Thrall already used the term “Horde” as far back as the Exodus OF THE HORDE campaign, which is the first one in the entire game.

Besides, at that point, Kul Tiras was basically acting independently. There’s a reason why Kul Tiras cut all ties with the other Alliance kingdoms after Daelin’s death, and it’s because none of them supported his military campaign in Kalimdor.

That was the old Horde which involved only a large and organized group of Orcs. Not what it later became and was introduced into WoW as such. And Greymane stated that Kul Tiras left not because of Alliance’s lack of action but due to Jaina’s involvement in acting against her father.

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This is all headcanon. You have no proof that the Exodus of the Horde name refers to the Old Horde, and not the New one. The New Horde is “new” because it’s supposed to focus on peace and shamanism, not war and conquest. It has nothing to do with it not being 100% orcish. Not even the Old Horde was 100% orcish.

Why do you think that Kul Tiras despised the Alliance so much as to have the Alliance emissary thrown into prison immediately? Could it be that they despise the fact that the Alliance kingdoms did not help Daelin at Theramore? As Ashvane literally says in a mocking way.

Wasn’t Orgrimmar already standing with Trolls and Orcs co existing together in Rexxar campaign. Tauren coming back after Thrall escort quest. To help them reaching the Oracle and settling a zone away from Orgrimmar.

Many of Orgrimmar’s buildings were still under construction when Rexxar came along. Tauren went their way and Trolls established themselves on Echo Isles. But there was no Horde among them.

Enitre coalition between those three races and Stonemaul Ogres was built throughout the campaign. Multi-racial Horde became a thing after Kul Tiras attack and later through Nefarian and Onyxia’s actions.

Nefarian took control of the Blackrock Orcs and set them agianst Kingdom of Stormwind while Onyxia posing as Lady Prestor blamed Orgrimmar Orcs for those attacks. This in response caused Thrall to form a pernament bond between Trolls and Tauren.

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You do understand that the term “Horde” was already used several times in Reign of Chaos, yes? Let alone the fact that the trolls already joined the Horde when the naga witch destroyed their pathetic isle, and the tauren joined the Horde early on in the orc campaign when Thrall saved them from the centaurs.

I don’t understand why you want to die so desperately on this hill. Like, did you not play WC3? The term “Horde” is used so many times before the Rexxar campaign. All because you are trying so hard to paint Kul Tiras and the Alliance as evil. I seriously don’t understand you people, you make the weirdest, most contrived arguments.

That is not how it went though. Tauren had no fuss with Humans at that time and Trolls had their home destroyed by those naga and human aggression towards orcs. Later on they lived with Orcs, there is even a troll guy giving you a quest. And lastly you evacuate Village of trolls hit by Kul Tiran Navy, but there was nowhere stated that the coalition was formed there and then.

The whole Exodus of Horde was about finding new allies. Orcs and Tauren worked together to drive the Centaur away and Vol’jin had propehcy told iirc at time orcs took them in.

Sure thing Kul Tiran aggression brought them together but that time they also got close to Theramore leftovers and eve Night Elves.

Overall Trolls Tauren and Orcs were bound with similar ideology of wandering tribes standing together claiming new homes.