It would be great to add crit damage bonus to SMF.
Standart crit damage is 200%, so make for SMF 400% crit damage. As a way to make SMF different and comparable with TG.
Talents for SMF is very weak, they should be moved into spellbook or be replaced. This is 2 talent points.
And back Annihilator to 20% AP damage. And why Annihilator is replace Raging blow? Why?
SMF should not be a thing.
Fury is not made to be wielding 1h weapons.
That is where you go play Rogue.
Delete how Fury can wield 1h weapons so the loot table can be fixed to always obtain 2h weapons without having to swap it to Arms.
Dude⌠Arms and Fury as a whole need buff to compete with other classes.
Fury is totally fine.
SMF should definitely be a thing.
2-handers are called 2-handers for a reason. 
Both Raid and MM stats prove you wrong.
For raid, Fury is the worst melee performer and 4th worst spec in the game.
For MM+, Fury is the 2nd the worst melee performer above Ret pall
For MM though, I admit I donât count the other 2 classes with other worst melee specs (Rogue and DK) since they both still have access to other melee top performing specs (Outlow and Sub for rogue in 1/2nd pos, Unh for DK in 9th pos).
Go away from Warrior class forum.
the heck it isnât, i can pull a full burst and barely do 20-30% damage and then they just heal to full hp, while they can do 60-70% damage to me, let alone fury canât handle crap in a 1v1 scenario unless your gear is better then its different, but no dps wise fury is not in a good spot, we do have sustain though.
For raiding it is ânot the bestâ but it is far from bieing bad. Problem is you just have to change your build every boss and itâs bloody annoying.
Stop looking at âMythicâ logs because only a few guilds actually did itâŚ
This early in you have to look at Heroic raid logs, which have far more data and therefor are far more accurate.
Fury is 15th on the overall list which is middle off the pack.
It is above other melees like Retri, Arms, Feral and Survival.
Straight up wrong.
It is again 13th on the list, making it again middle off the pack.
it is above meleeâs such as Assassination, Retri, Frost DK and Survival.
Idk what MM is you talk about 
If itâs PvP I couldnât care less. Ppl still cry itâs way to OP because the selfhealing is absurd.
TLDR:
As always, Fury is middle off the pack.
Give it some good items (we all know are coming) and itâll be derailed into Shadowlands S4 modus.
Problem is, The tierlist for Fury is absolute garbo. Fix the execute dmg into RB/Rampage and itâll be ALOT stronger.
I made plenty off posts about this in beta and PTR but always was ignored 
Maybe learn to read a full post ?
I said 2nd worst MELEE spec, not for all specs/class.
And as I stated, assa rogue and Frost DK both have access to better melee specs, being above fury; meaning there are very few players playing these underperforming specs.
Compared to Warrior who have access to Arms (joke in M+) and Fury (Bad for a melee spec in DF).
Why would anyone pick a fury in M+ instead of a ww/rogue/dh/unh dk/rogue/enh ?
And the Raid Set this patch will bring absolutely nothing to our DPS, being as useless as it is buffing Exec.
PS : MM was a typo for M+
Spec is not class.
I reacted correctly, read it again please.
It was also a joke in SL, yet I usually was top overall on my Arms warr 
(This is the first xpack Iâve actually mained something else then Warrior.)
I am Arcane mage myself, I bring enough ST damage.
What we need is AOE burst, suprisingly the thing Fury shines in.
I love bringing Fury (and even Arms) warriors in my M+ groups.
I will pair it up with a ww/rogue though.
(Also since itâs super easy, you can be sure they pump their burst numbers. Unlike enh shammy, they often suck.)
That is what I said aswell
Look, I have nothing against you personally and have no doubt you know how to play your class and can shine as a warrior.
And I admit youâre right for worst 2nd melee class* (not spec indeed).
Itâs just that the overall stats for warrior is pretty sad for the current meta state.
And while it often doesnât mean too much unless youâre a top raider/M+ hardcore player, it is unfortunately used a lot by people in pug groups.
I play casually and take whatever ask 1st when creating a group. But being declined over and over when pugging just because war doesnât bring anything to the table due to bad design is just tiring.
So Iâll stand to my 1st thought, warrior is not in a good shape currently and would need some tunning, either on DPS (from straight buff or a better tier set) or more utility (aoe stun more accessible without penalizing damage or a bl with a banner maybe ?).
Thatâs because âAnnihilatorâ is meant to make for a less spammy playstyle (Shifting damage from âRaging blowâ to passive auto-attack bonuses), but then people just use âSlamâ instead.
Iâd like SMF to be equal in DPS to TG too, most WoW 2-handers look positively ridiculous when dual-wielded (IMO, they should have left that nonsense in âDiablo 2â, but itâs too late nowâŚ), or if they insist in making TG the way to go, allow warriors to transmog 2-handers into 1-handers, i love that gnoll flail model!
I love smf and will play it anyway. But wouldnt mind a buff =P
That said I understand that they dont want to deal with all the âprosâ complaining about having to farm one handers and two handers.
I just appreciate that smf is still there somewhere and take what I can get
According to Wowhead, SMF is getting a buff, the âFrenzied Flurryâ-talent (Right below SMF itself) gives a paltry 5% extra damage to auto-attacks on live, but will give 30% extra damage to auto-attacks in 10.0.5 (I donât know how much that will add to total DPS), it will possibly be further adjusted, of course, but making/keeping SMF viable is something Blizz are working on.
That is only for one-handed weapons and nobody plays fury with one-handed weapons.
All next âbuffsâ are useless for fury and yet on 10th all others classes that got a A or S Tier spec get buffs for they other specs. Try blizz. I think i only play ww and rogue until fury gets some love.
I was replying to somebody who is playing SMF, i was only talking about SMF, fury in general could use some more work, but itâs nice that Blizz are evening up the field within the spec, iâm sure theyâll look at general spec power at some point.
IMO, TG should have stayed in âDiablo 2â, it looks silly (With about 90% of 2-handers, anyway) and brought nothing but balance issues to the spec since its introduction.
This entire thread is about SMF thoughâŚ
SMF should be delete, we donât play 1H since MoP and most of fury prefer plays TG.
We just lose a lot of slot for better talent.
SMF should 100% be a thing.
If I could go SMF and viably compete with using 2 handers in all situations, I would.
Why? Upgrading/crafting both 2 handed weapons for main and off-hand is horrifically expensive, and with how important weapon dps is for warriors, this puts us at a big disadvantage that never really gets looked at.