So Are you ready for HR raids in Fresh Classic

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As most of you know GDKP is banned but we did not get an answer about if the loot system will be changed into ‘retail like’ or not.

Banning GDKP will be result in getting no share on big loots such as DFT, Bindings, Eye of Sulfuras, Nelt Tear, Rejuv Gem, Gauntlets of Annihilation, Eye of C’thun and later in game Gressil, Kiss of Spider etc.

Most of those items ( probably ) going to be Highly reserved for tanks, guild members or guild officer. So as a pug you won’t get any of those items, if you do not join a guild and wait for their Loot Council and friends to gear up.

In a timed classic which is limited to 1 year, you even won’t be seeing some of those items.

So are you ready to understand banning GDKP solves only small amount of issues ?

We need increased drop rates and fair ROLL system without master loot. But if that happens who is going to Host some raids for pugs ? We need a solution there, and seems like blizz is not caring at all.

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so many people want free gear. btw are you enjoying that free r14?

want =/= need

at this point just remove gear completely from the game, that way we’re all on an equal playing field.

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What do you think will happen when people realize they won’t be getting any good loot after spending 2-3 hours on raids. Let me tell you, they will cancel sub and never show up again and that will lead to empy realms like in classic era.

Having free rank 14 seems working, it kept me in game for so long. Maybe we should have free thunderfury, dft, kiss etc. Blizz can implement a reputation system to farm better items by hard grind.

If an item in game which is better than yours and causing huge difference in dps output it makes someone both want and need it.

want == need.

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Translation : Me and my guild will miss GDKP so bad because we could get rich very fast and gear ever faster. We didn’t even take people for their skills, but just for their gold LOLOLOLO. Which btw, most is bought with credit card. So yes, we actually made a party with half of them being…credit card warriors and the other half with my sweet, beautiful guild members! HAHAHAH, miss those days. :face_exhaling:

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neither me or my guild never ever hosted GDKP 40 mens in era. I don’t claim GDKP is best system. I would normally recommend read again but i ll explain instead.

1- GDKP solves one problem when a big item drops you get your share.

2- Banning GDKP both solves issues and bring issues. Solved issue gold sellers have 0 motivation to play and it is good, new issue : people will HR items and casual / pug won’t be seeing those items.

3- I don’t need game money, can post my bank account but it would make you upset.

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Don’t …

…oh well, you did.

No! You guys get your share mostly, since the majority are friends and…guild members and fathers and sons.

Nope! It doesn’t solve anything nor bring any issues. Its…WoW! Like we all know it.

What? So if you have in real life money you also have in WoW? Ops! Did you just…

…
…dude! :slight_smile:

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dude, i dont raid gdkp, we try to host SR raids each week but guess what people don’t want SR raids with HR items. Same problem ahead in Fresh classic, people won’t be joining SR raids with HRed items. No one will let pugs to roll on Bindings and that is a problem.

Solution : Implement new items which are obtained through hard grind and which are slightly close to thunderfury , dft, tear, rejuv gem, kiss etc.

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Dude! I raided a lot in Wotlk , even in PUGS and people were joining even with SR or HR , no problem.

Stop with “but but … no one”.

…just let it go Johnny , just let it go.

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Can you stop pretending GDKP is the only fair/best raid loot system ?

Yeah you’re upset it’s banned, it’s fine but stop doom posting because you’ll have to rand for gears. And if you’re in a guild just use DKP, it’s exactly the same as GDKP except everyone starts with the same amount of currency. GDKP is the worst loot system since it promotes whale behavior. DKP ensures everyone gets to manage their own currency to prioritize the loots they really want.

Why would you care about pugs if you’re in a guild ? You guys need to stop pretending to care for the greater good when it’s only your personal gains that are at stake.

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I told multiple times cons and pros of GDKP.

I don’t even care, because i am neither GDKP raiding nor making gold out of GDKP runs. I am financially good enough in order not to care about imaginary game gold.

DKP is another fault system. People tend to keep their points for BiS items. No one will be spending on garbage loot even if they have worst. DKP also should be performance based because awarding 100dps overal and 400 dps overall same amount is just grief. So in DKP you are forced into perform better ( assuming it is performance based ) and it results in minus gold each raid because of consumables / flasks.

No it is not, it covers your consumable money and grants you share out of big loots.

I am in a guild but we don’t consider game as our living purpose. It makes me one of those pugs.

unfounded accusation

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Why do you make posts about GDKP if you don’t care and don’t use it ? It makes no sense…

What’s wrong with keeping points for BiS items ? You do the same with your gold in GDKP.
Everyone spends on items they need, they just don’t spend as much depending on the quality/upgrade of the item.
DKP should not be based on performance but it can be if you want. Plenty of ways to use it: you arrive on time ? Extra DKP. You have your WB and consum ? Extra DKP. You’re top 5 DPS ? Extra DKP. You’re top dispeller ? Extra DKP. You die to simple mechanic ? Can be minus DKP too. It’s up to you and your guild to make it as fair/unfair as you want it to be.

If you think DKP is faulty but advocates for GDKP then you’re a big hypocrite.

The only difference lies in having to farm gold elsewhere, meaning playing the game instead of raid logging.

It promotes RMT. You’re not supposed to make hundred or thousands of gold by raiding. That’s not how the game was designed. Stop pushing such a bad loot system.

If you can’t allocate a couple of evening to raid with a fixed rooster then maybe you should accept that you won’t have access to end-game gear as rapidly as others.
To enter a GDKP you’re either filthy rich gold-wise or full pre-bis opti and raidy to parse. Either way you’re geeking the game or buy gold online. There is no way a casual with green/blue gear and 50g in his pockets will enter into a GDKP raid.

It is very founded when I look at your arguments. They are shaky at best and you are clearly dishonest.

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Topic is not about GDKP. Topic is about SR raids with multiple HRed items. I haven’t seen any guild letting pugs to roll on Bindings or DFT so far since 2019.

That is grief, if no one is getting upgrades and saving for BiS you will end up with many people with close numbers of DKP.

Haha good luck mate, i can AFK follow each week if you have such guild. Everyone makes DKP performance based, if not their guild will end up sooner or later.

More performance means putting more numbers in DPS list nothing else. In era you put more numbers on the condition you use flasks / enchants / sharpeners / basic class consumables / world buffs. Any of those except for world buffs costs gold, and you will be needing gold to perform.

Funny, Why there are bots farming 24/7 in SoD if GDKP is banned there. One can easly find a raid hoster and offer him real life money to HR bindings for him. Removing GDKP does not fully solve that problem. One can still buy gold or contact a Guild lead to make some items HRed in SR runs.

Why should one farm for Loot Council, and friends of Guild Lead and the guild lead 3-4 days / week ? I will go rank 14 and enjoy game till aq40 relese. Than i ll quit like 99% of the player base.

You can enter as pump with free R14 gear.

You seem like you are guild lead who HRs every item for self or member of loot council who gets juicy loot earlier than others.

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What a pathetic excuse. If you are financially good enough in real life, what the hell has to do with “imaginary game gold”? Dude… :man_facepalming:

And no, you do care, else you wouldn’t bother keep telling us how good GDKP is.

…but I get it. You actually buy imaginary gold from 3rd party websites with your good enough financially money , and then buy your way in raids.

Got it. Makes sense now why you keep advocating in favor of GDKP.

Carry on!

Exactly lol.

Grief LOL.

So ? What’s wrong with many people ending up bidding for BiS items with DKP?

Dude, just…let it go! No GDKP here, no “imaginary feature to a solution” which never exists, etc.

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Solves all Problems for me because i dont buy gold, or farm permanent gold to stay competitive with the inflation

have a good day, banning GDKP was the best they have done <3

wont see it anyway if i dont buy gold, or having a level 60 mage and grinding with him all day so? :dracthyr_shrug:

Problem is, for the first Phase it works, but with Aq 40 Scarab Lord Quest chain the Inflation kicks in, and with Naxx its getting worse, especially as a newer Player, or when u come back from p1/p2

it´s like trying to beat a “whale” in a mobile game, it´s impossible, you will run 10000 runs without getting loot, until u have enough Gold to bid on one Item.

i dont know, i think most of the People here will hate me for it, but Loot Hard/Soft reserve worked the best for me, when i was in a Pug, and i dont think there is a Better Solution for Pug raids.

when it comes to Guild raids, to get the Legendary will be rough, but when it comes to Tier set/Epics u getting geared really fast, i dont see the problem

because some people still buying items underground, Legendarys etc, but in a different way, to bypass the “ban risk”

also because of Sod is really alt Friendly when it comes to leveling, and if u invest some gold your twink is faster “raid rdy”

also because of the war effort, and Consumeables for Bg.

u will see Bots forever, even with Banned Gdkp, but u will see Less, i dont want to Imagine how many u would see, if Gdkp is still a Thing.

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I do agree with you. In my eyes GDKP is basically the same annoying thing as HR in raids. I would gladly welcome any kind of ban on ANYTHING other then fair roll on items. #SOMECHANGES.
Does not mean we slide all the way down to retail eventho we change some clearly QOL changes that happened to the game.

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No worries, i care about killing bosses not loot.

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It’s rater obvious that when raiding starts people will start to quit. For some running MC on a schedule isn’t really appealing while their class may have limited or most contested gear from there to get. There also will be less raiding alts I guess.

People already know GDKP, they are spoiled :slight_smile: And I won’t be surprised if there will be RMT discords - normal PUG in game, but loot distributed by money outside of the game.

Bots will be active as they used to be. People want cheap and plentiful AH, they want quick Righteous Orb from AH. This is provided by bots in short term. In long therm they cause gold inflation.

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Imagine joining a guild that enforces such loot rules on a game and than staying in that guild and just blame the loot system for it.
Problem is that people accept such loot rules, whilst first you do not have to accept such raid leaders. There is no reason in classic or in WoW itself to impose such rules, only exemption probable race to world first guilds.

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Well i will be fine with gdkp when you will take guy with no gold and gear to give him gold for the next raids. Without that sounds like buy our gold to give it to us.

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It will be a mage’s doing all the HR

Anniversary population is 69.69% mages of total class played (I counted last night on my abacus)

With these indisputable hard facts and figures in mind, people where joking about raids being 20+ warriors previously but with all these mages around they will have to make pugs and HR stuff as to not have compete against the sea of fellow mages running around.