If you compare the SL intro and the dh starting zone you see a very different story unfold, while both takes place in the basically the same scenario aka some elite force sent deep behind ennemy lines (and by deep I mean on another planet/plan of existence) but the performance of the two organisations are in stark contrast.
The Illidaris manage to quickly regroup and take their objectives despite an overwhelming enemy numerical advantage, being on a core world of the Legion, and ultimately completing their mission after slaying several important Legion leaders.
On the other hand the Ebon’s Blade gets mawn downed almost immediatly, if you play close attention to the start of the scenario you will see groups of Ebon Blades knights being neutralised by a handful of the lowest of the Jailor’s servants. I understand that the Death Knight didn’t have a clear objective so I am not bashing them for simply not having completed the mission, although that could be a fair critic of it’s commanding officers and their ability to strategize but even if we don’t hold that failure against them their performance is just weak. They immediatly get beaten down and not even by a strong opposition, just a handful of the Jailor’s basic grunts. It also shows that saronite isn’t this uber metal indestructible to everything which is an argument that comes up often when talking about Dk power level, same with dk anti magical abilities as the few basic sorcerers the jailor sent were strong enough to overpower them.
Overall we have two very similar operation but the Ebon Blade’s one is a complete embarrassement from the planning by the officers to the performance of the boots on the ground, and pales in comparaison to the assault on Mardum.
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I would argue that Demon Hunters had an inherent power/weakness advantage against their opponents.
The Maw is literally hell, and everyone, even us players can feel the struggle.
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True but it was a handful of them against an entire world, and the Ebon Blades contingent gets broken almost immediatly, I would understand if they had arrived directly in Torghast or something but the Maw’s basic entry bouncers were enough to deal with them.
I dont know. I feel like you cant interpret this expansion in any way, because it makes no sense.
Or are female leads more powerful than all male leaders?
Sylvanas destroys Lich King like he was nothing, destroyed even in LK’s empire.
Jaina jumps around mobs in Maw while alliance leaders are wounded and healing each other, they are also too weak to help you in the Maw when they get out but apparently Jaina can teleport herself when you are there.
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In the DH intro you were precisely teleported to your destination of a somewhat known location versus a known enemy with a chance for reinforcements, while we are thrown in the Maw almost at random against unknown enemy without the chance for reinforcements.
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idk i didn’t read the whole posty but dk class seems pretty crappy atm which is weird cause lorewise… dk better than everyone
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In both case the Illidaris come under attack almost immediatly and can only get a handful of reinforcements after taking several portals on their own though.
it’s weird cause there is only 2 hero classes in the game. And both of them are crap.
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Don’t know much about the lore.
But aren’t the illidari more in control of their powers? I.e consumed and mastered the fel, and have a big advantage against it, kind of the perfect counter to the fel/legion
Where as DKs are not in control at all, with agents of the maw considerably powerfuller and a step up from them. With the jailor miles above the LK himself and and basically their creator. I.e DKs are a much lower tier, and not a counter at all to anything maw/jailor related
DKs have free will. The gen 3 DKs were the demise of LK 1.
The Illidari are trained killers that specialize themselves in hunting demons. DKs are just random people with some Death powers. Do you really think they are on equal footing?
The Illidari are of free will and tirelessly would sacrifice anything just to sate their hate whereas DKs are just usual bad boys. They have no reason or much of a goal. They were simply pawns of the LK. Surely you get all of this?
Yeah I don’t me control over their mind, meant they have no control over anything maw related. Basically like bolvar and the helm, the helm greatly overpowers him. And it takes everything he had just to hold it back. (Helm/maw is considerably stronger and the dominate power).
Nuh-uh. You’re wrong. LK basically trained knights too strong to control and thats why you get player DKs.
Technically dh don’t control demons either, appart from the one inside obviously.
You’re ignoring or misreading what I said.
There are no both case for Illidari. They have their own, DKs have theirs.
So let me make it elementary for you.
DH:
Know their mission, location and enemy.
Got teleported precisely.
Have powerful reinforcements at the ready.
The Maw intro:
They don’t know when and where they’re going or what would they face.
Got yeeted throughout the zone without a chance to properly regroup.
Have no reinforcements waiting.
They fight it constantly, as said in the intro.
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I said in my post that I wasn’t bashing dk because of their failure at completing their mission, but simply their combat performance. They get broken immediatly by the lowest of the jailor forces, if you look around the zone you see full grapes of dk being held prisonner by one or two dudes.
It doesn’t matter if they are trained or not. There is a difference between someone going to school every day and being sick of it and someone wanting to go to school because they are obsessed with a target.
You cannot put them on the same level at all. DKs are just merely soldiers who have zero problems with failing a mission cause they’ll report a failure and call it a day whereas DHs will die trying to succeed or not come back at all. If there was a need DHs would absorb scourge powers themselves.
No they are undead. They can obviously still die permanently. They don’t have a demon soul like DHs who go to the twisting nether.
They’re dead. You can’t twist that with lore. They are dead dead dead.