So dh > dk lorewise now?

but alive.

I give up. It’s 4 am and I have no intention at explaining to you in precise little details what you’re missing in the situation.

It really doesn’t matter if they are dead or not? I said that a DK will fail the mission and give up. It doesn’t matter that they are dead. DKs have no vengeance or obsession with a goal. They basically regret being meanies in WotLK and now they try to help. DHs are extremists who don’t care about anything but achieving a goal. I don’t get how you don’t understand how different they are in terms of motivation.

Well i can’t really reinforce that cause i haven’t played DK in this expac. I heard they suck bad and that hardly surprises me. Hero class suck bad when blizz lose interest. So I just gotta defend DK with another class. Like Druid.

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Actually, that’s factually incorrect. Death Knights were made to be the highest ranking generals among the Scourge, rivaled in power only by the Lich King himself and certain other entities like Kelthuzad for example. They were meant to be the ultimate killing machines, the nigh unstoppable force of Death, hence the armor and runeblade meant to tear at the very souls of their enemies.

But, alas, in game often doesn’t reflect on that fact these days, it did to some degree in Wrath, which was essentially the DK expansion, as well as Legion and the DK order hall where the four horsemen annihilated the entire broken shore of demons almost single-handedly.

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The Jailor created the LK and therefore also the DKs. He literally is the source of their power. Surely it makes sense that they would have no chance against him whatsoever? DKs are optimized at fighting the living, not enemies that don’t even have those souls you refer to.

The Jailer created the Helm and Frostmourne, not the LK, Arthas creating death knights was his own doing, whether the Jailer had a role in it is only a speculation at this point, until more is known.

Not necessarily, they literally raise the dead to serve them, they twist the souls of the dead as they please and from certain questlines in Wrath from throughout Northrend, predominantly ICC, we can observe their knowledge and ability to dominance over the dead. They can bind the dead to servititude so long as the Death Knight is more intelligent, has more willpower.

The Maw is a place of souls, they should be incredibly powerful there, but unfortunately they are not.

Logical reasoning? Perhaps because they are Bolvar’s DKs, new and unexperienced as opposed to Arthas’s ones, including the player who laid waste to the entirity of the Scarlet Crusade and nearly wiped em out, heck even severely damaged the Scourge itself, attacked Light’s Hope in Legion, slaughtered every paladin and beat the crap out of Liadrin.

That and, the Maw is the Jailer’s domain and obviously everytihng there is bound to his will.

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Pretty much. From the most powerful fighters in Wrath to absolutele peasants in Shadowlands. A pity, but that’s what it is.

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i told bolvar we shouldn’t be sending in the raw recruit but he was like nah deathlord it’s fine and that’s why they all mostly got butchered

but on a serious note etc faction is only as powerful as the writers want it to be be it the edge hunters or the edge knights we all get demolished by whatever is the next big bad

The only DK left that is powerful enough to beat anything, mortals and gods alike, is the player character, the ruthless killer Arthas intended. The new recruits are just pathetic.

you could argue the new recruits was just a desperate means of stalling time they are most likely not even properly trained

True as well, i mean ones raised in Wrath were not only essentially watched over and ‘‘trained’’ by Arthas himself, along with his highest in command, such as Instructor Razuvious, Gothik the Harvester, etc, but completely decimated the Scarlet Crusade all the way from Eastern Palguelands to Northrend.

Not to mention that one of the Death Knights in ICC you do quests with literally tore out and destroyed the soul of a Scarlet crusade archbishop.

i’m not sure why only darion came with us what was the other horsemen doing :stuck_out_tongue: i wanted to see nazgrim tear some jailer punks apart with his deathgrip

Judging by the recent book, they are going through something that resembles emotion, morality, …past memories, fears…eh, pretty lame tbh. Kinda goes against what DKs were before.

what emotions what are those we are the remorseless killing machines of the lich king hell our lore is was that if they don’t inflict pain and suffering we go crazy sounds like new blizzard don’t know their own lore or think they can do it better

Kinda the impression i got, in the book the horsemen were talking to each other, a moral dilemma, contemplation of sorts, right before that cinematic where you see them dragging Bolvar on to his seat, before you go to Shadowlands.

It’s odd, in Wrath and Legion their whole personality was as it should be - ruthless, emotionless…yet come Shadowlands they are suddenly soft, doubtful, conflicted.
The explanation is, as it would seem, that when the Helm of Domination was destroyed by Sylvanas, the power, the presence in their minds disappeared completely and they began to…have emotion, morals…? I don’t know, it’s so convoluted an dmakes no sense.

blizz delights in re-writing history they have this unending need to ruin what was written often which result it far poorer story telling i stopped reading the novels i don’t even consider them canon because they are often if not reflected in the actual game

LK made the DKs… they beat him
Ner’Zhul made the DKs… they beat him
Kil’Jaiden… now the Jailer… sigh
I guess we won’t beat him cause we tired of this carrot on a stick

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Suffice to say my DK still goes by the old standards, laying waste to everything in my path with no remorse, no pity, nothing…just to stay true to what a DK is meant to be, Arthas will always be my daddy, not some cheap rip off called Bolvar who is completely useless.

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Well arthas isn’t your daddy never was
darion morgraine was