wait… bolvar is the jailer…?
i didn’t realise that lol
Nah, my DK is the Deathlord, he can beat Mograine’s rear end 
My loyalties always lied with Arthas and now with Sylvanas.
How did you come to that conclusion? I’m talking about the people who have worn the Helm of Domination, the Lich King
-.-; do tell me your not serious now … the jailer is some irrelevant bald guy as bad guys goes his almost as 1 dimensional as sylvanas
Um you can’t love them both lol.
Yeah I was reading something and got it wrong
Bolvar is the Jailer (of the damned). I missed the second part sorry.
I just read Bolvar is the Jailer and I was like eh?
Following Bolvar Fordragon becoming the Jailer (of the Damned), Darion continues to lead his knights in keeping all of Azeroth safe, helping the horde and alliance stop threats beyond the Scourge.
What a lovely story… the death knight settles down in a quiet little home raising a family… wtf.
after the jailer kicks the bucket i might move into the maw and start a inn it seems like a popular tourist spot
you do realize that all of you were captured and imprisoned afterwards, right?
The nights of the ebon blade did what they needed to. helped you escape, from an inescapable prison.
First of all the legion ain’t got nothing on maw armies.
The Jailer right now > Sargeras.
Secondly, as another player pointed out : demon hunters were made for killing demons.
So they had a natural advantage against them.
We went into the maw pretty much blindly not knowing what exactly might await us there.
It is stated literally at the beginning of Shadowlands that the size of the Jailers forces rival the Legion. Putting them on equal foot
However the Jailers forces dont have an accelerated auto ress option like the Burning Legion did until we sacked Argus and destroyed Antorus. Infact they dont even ress at all as anything within the Jailers forces that are already dead (basically his entire army aside from people like Sylvanas) have their existence ended the moment they die in the Shadowlands. Making his army, unlike the legions, a finite one.
As for the Jailer to Sargeras power comparison. It is uncertain who is or is not stronger. Blizzard said the Jailer is a titan level or titan plus level villian. However Sargeras is not just a “titan” but was quite literally capable of oneshotting (i repeat: One shotting) the entire Titanic Pantheon. Putting him easily on Titan plus plus (or higher) level. The only beings we know that are stronger than Sargeras right now are the Void Lords and Azeroth.
Sargeras would easily cleave the maw, the jailer and every single convant with a single swing claiming that baldie is anywhere near the mad titan’s level is stupid and blizzard is stupid for believing we would believe that
DKs are just edgy wannabe paladins of course they get trashed.
You take that back!
https://imgur.com/a/HE7Sx1U
On another note, I just paid 1000 gold for a joke cause I had to mog back
They said titan ++ . Sargeras was stronger than a normal titan .
??? Maybe that was the case for the gen 1 DKs who were just random alliance soldiers with warlocks inside them. The news DKs are pretty elite dudes like Koltira, Mograine, Trollbane, Whitemane, Nazgrim, Thassarin etc. there are no such big names on the DH side.
Demon Hunters and Death Knights fufill a very different purpose in a fight.
Death Knights are unbreaking, slow moving, overpowering bulwarks of pure deathly might and magic. On the front lines, like during the Assault on Tyr’s hand in the DK opening scenario, that’s where they’re used best. To utterly overwhelm an enemy as shock-troopers. However, because of their juggernaut status, their greatest enemy is overwhelming enemy forces. One Mawssworn comes up and tries to shank a death Knight? They’ll laugh it off and cleave them in two with unholy might. 10? 20? 30 even? That’s when things get tough. The Ebon Blade sent into the Maw were a small vanguard, not even all four of the horsemen were present, they didn’t have their usual backup of necromancers, various undead allies and servants, and Acherus itself. Compare that to the utterly overwhelming forces of the Maw. Death Knights are not built for that kind of mission, honestly yes, the Illidari may have actually been a better choice to send, despite the lack of… demons.
Illidari on the other hand absolutely THRIVE against overwhelming odds. They’re trained not to be unstoppable juggernauts like Death knights, but more trained to be fast and surgical. On top of that, Illidari also thrive against Demons specifically in overwhelming odds because Demons are the source of their power. For example in mardum, we started off just a group of well trained Hunters, and after taking out some strong demons were able to absorb their powers, making them much stronger, strong enough to take the Fel Hammer. Basically, Demon Hunters are built for speed and surgical strikes, not slow moving assaults like Death Knights are.
Basically, Death Knights were sent on a mission that Death Knights just aren’t built for.
A more apt comparison between the two classes is The Assault on Tyr’s Hand, and the assault on Mardum. That’s where both the classes’ are best suited and best showing off their strength.
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You do realise the Demon hunter scenario is a rewriting of the lore to justify their existence right ? Same scenario that basically made us question why TBC was a thing ? I mean seriously, Illidan was dealing with the legion ridiculously well with his band of DH and we stopped him because… Maiev don’t like to lose a prisoner ? Why didn’t we kicked Maiev like “Hey Maiev the guy is killing demons now, stop your bs!”
Plus, Demons hunters are like they name imply existing specifically to destroy demons (at least at the point of the scenario!) They know their ennemies, their numbers, they got reinforcement (And by the way you seems to forget but you feel your mission because you don’t managed to get back in time to save illidan from Maiev (ffs Maiev, you were cool in W3, in wow you’re litteraly nothing)
Now let’s talk about the maw and the ebon blade, you can clearly see their number was lower, they basically accepted the fact none of them would come back (let’s be cristal clear, if you send people in suicide mission without any hope they could come back if they succeed against all odd… They won’t be as effective!)
They had no idea where they went, our charming band of “elite” prisoners (jaina,baine,anduin and thrall) comment each other pointing out they can’t fight the entire army because it’s the SIZE OF THE LEGION… SO what 100 ebon blade, no reinforcement vs the legion? you expect them to do what ?
Turns out as character we get out because apparently the jailer “wanted us out” (Because obviously, when you’re the bad guy and you’ve got an unescapable prison, you know (players) managed to destroy ridicously powerful foes… You let them out, so you know, they can mess with your plans because it’s fun right ?
Baddie 101 If they’re going to ruin my plans help them do it !
(Even if at this point he was like oh the hero can activate the stone ? Interesting ! Oh the hero escapes ? that’s my plan xD)
I’ve seen comments about the 4 characters…
Anduin was chained and tortured by Op sylvanas who’s op because op. Managed to allow us to leave the maw by invoking his OP light in the worse prison of death. (I’d like to know how paladins and priest manage to use light in there ? any good reason except hey it can just happen because Anduin does it ?=
Baine is basically a warrior, got is soul twisted and we barely saved him so yeah he kinda must be weaker at this point.
Thrall is no longer green jesus, he’s a basic warrior (and was weaker than garrosh so… maybe garrosh could have been useful … The guy is not Broxigar let’s be clear)
Rest Jaina, basically the one who could destroy orgrimmar because she’s pissed…
She’s the only over powered character in this scenario… And she still get crushed by the jailer, tormented and tortured…
Point is… the fact we escaped is a real surprise to me… We shouldn’t have, but again there would be no game if it made sense so whatever
I think if we’re speaking broadly, the knights of the ebon blade would probably slaughter what remains of the demon hunters - although giant space ship probably trumps necropoli. Assuming they’re fighting a pitched battle, I would say death knights have the edge.
Also this;
Technically illidan was winning the whole fight and only lost because he got cocky, so it’s more a mistake on his part than a power gap.
I would disagree.
But not realy